Do you question the existence of God?

IsabelMay · Post by **IsabelMay** » 21 Jun 2017, 16:07

Something has to be out there, something bigger than us. Even though nature is so powerful, it can be discussed how it was created as well as who created living beings. The beauty of not knowing the answer is living in ignorance. If you know that god/God/gods (however people may put it) exist(s) and are absolutely sure of it... what's the meaning of life then? Everyone should have their opinion related to this question, but the problem is when they think they know better than others. We can all just guess, but no one's opinion holds the truth.

jimthorne2 · Post by **jimthorne2** » 21 Jun 2017, 17:45

I guess we're stuck then. There is no way to know anything. This is beyond skepticism. It is agnosticism. Better understand as I refuse to know anything.

Diah · Post by **Diah** » 21 Jun 2017, 22:57

It's a sensitive subjects for some people. As a moslem, I believe in God existence. I just always believe that every difficulties in life has its own meaning. I also believe that God always help and watch me in bad and good times.

Post by **Waragu Samuel** » 22 Jun 2017, 02:15

This is a complex question to tackle. Sometimes back I used to question his existence. At times I even doubted his existence. As I later advanced in age, the urge to question and doubt his existence died away. This was after discovering that circumstances in life will always be there and some of them will be so ugly to doubt and question oneself.

Kizito · Post by **Kizito** » 22 Jun 2017, 02:34

I know there's obviously a much higher power at play. Humans call this power "God". So I don't doubt the existence of "God".

Donatelloo · Post by **Donatelloo** » 22 Jun 2017, 05:51

without any doubt : It's Yes!!

jimthorne2 · Post by **jimthorne2** » 22 Jun 2017, 09:24

The issue is not "power". There's all sorts of power: electric, steam, gas, emotional, physical, etc. God is a person with power not like a human but like God - see Jesus.

Khaya · Post by **Khaya** » 23 Jun 2017, 13:42

IsabelMay wrote:Something has to be out there, something bigger than us. Even though nature is so powerful, it can be discussed how it was created as well as who created living beings. The beauty of not knowing the answer is living in ignorance. If you know that god/God/gods (however people may put it) exist(s) and are absolutely sure of it... what's the meaning of life then? Everyone should have their opinion related to this question, but the problem is when they think they know better than others. We can all just guess, but no one's opinion holds the truth.

You're a smart thinker. One of the problems in the world is that people think their beliefs are THE truth and only truth, and everyone is definitely wrong and must succumb to what they think is true. This is ignorance in another, worse way.

leia99 · Post by **leia99** » 23 Jun 2017, 14:37

No, the amazing things that came from nature, the existence of all the planets in our universe, and the fact that ours is the only inhabitable planet proves to me God exists.

jimthorne2 · Post by **jimthorne2** » 23 Jun 2017, 14:46

The existence of God is not an issue of belief. He exists whether or not we believe in him. Example: Do you think Jaq on the streets of Calcutta exists or is he a figment of someone's imagination. The only one who really knows is Jaq. For that matter, do you exist?

-- 23 Jun 2017, 14:46 --

The existence of God is not an issue of belief. He exists whether or not we believe in him. Example: Do you think Jaq on the streets of Calcutta exists or is he a figment of someone's imagination. The only one who really knows is Jaq. For that matter, do you exist?

jbeddoe3490 · Post by **jbeddoe3490** » 23 Jun 2017, 17:39

I was born and raised a Catholic and went to catholic school from kindergarten till college. When I reached 23 and started becoming more "consciously aware" of the world and it's doings, I changed my views to what makes sense to me. I believe in a supreme being that created everything, that is all powerfull and is is the precursor to existance. After that belief, to me is all man's opinion and creation. God didn't create Muslims, Christians, Hindus, etc he created PEOPLE. It was US that created religions which divided and separated us. If it isn't proven by factual evidence then I cannot give my 100 percent faith in it because at the end of the day, no matter how nice it sounds....it's still unproven....it's all just a guess. So if you can't prove it to me with facts and evidence, then it's not credible in my eyes and I won't believe it.

Khaya · Post by **Khaya** » 23 Jun 2017, 18:33

jbeddoe3490 wrote:I was born and raised a Catholic and went to catholic school from kindergarten till college. When I reached 23 and started becoming more "consciously aware" of the world and it's doings, I changed my views to what makes sense to me. I believe in a supreme being that created everything, that is all powerfull and is is the precursor to existance. After that belief, to me is all man's opinion and creation. God didn't create Muslims, Christians, Hindus, etc he created PEOPLE. It was US that created religions which divided and separated us. If it isn't proven by factual evidence then I cannot give my 100 percent faith in it because at the end of the day, no matter how nice it sounds....it's still unproven....it's all just a guess. So if you can't prove it to me with facts and evidence, then it's not credible in my eyes and I won't believe it.

People can get very hung up in claiming that their religion is the one and only truth. And show disdain for those who think otherwise. It just creates unnecessary division. I mean, in the most extreme scenarios, people have killed others with differing beliefs because of such a mindset. Holy wars, for example. And even today with Isis. I think it's more moral to not think you know the truth. It's more humbling, and it opens you up to consider and be more accepting of others beliefs. Of course you can think their opinion is likely wrong, if logic and facts suggest so. It also makes it so you can see that you're likely wrong when someone's differing opinion has sounder logic and better supported facts than your own.

If you believe your belief is the truth because it's the truth, you're not being open-minded. Having doubt is so you can be a good listener, and consider other's beliefs. Truth is something everyone wants to have, but can be hard to find. Having doubt and not claiming a truth, you don't put yourself on a pedestal, you're not giving yourself a big head and claiming that you, a small individual in this huge universe, know something for sure. Don't be egocentric, we're limited to our perspective. You don't know what you don't know.

jimthorne2 · Post by **jimthorne2** » 23 Jun 2017, 18:56

"what makes sense to me" places you as the authority over all things. Wow! I can't image that. In fact, I have some thoughts on that if you will listen. See - The Question of Authority

Khaya · Post by **Khaya** » 23 Jun 2017, 20:16

If you have a free resource, I'd gladly read it, but I'm not paying $15.

So are you saying that things shouldn't make sense? If someone says something to you that has an error in logic, you should accept it? We'd be living in a very nonsensical world. Something has to make sense to someone for them to accept it, I think it's unreasonable to want someone to accept something that doesn't make sense to them.

Statements are either logically valid or invalid. It's not a subjective opinion whether something makes sense. Not, it makes sense "to me". Like correct or incorrect. Someone can say, this is correct to me, but really, it's either correct or incorrect.

For example:
All mammals have feathers.
Birds are mammals.
Dogs are a type of bird.
Therefore, logically we can conclude, dogs have feathers.

The logic here is sound (not valid, but sound, because it's not factual). It would not be sound logic to conclude that dogs have fur or dogs aren't birds.

It is true, however, that not everyone is the best at seeing the logic in a statement as well as others. From family and friends to professors, I've always been told I'm a logical person, so yes, I have confidence in it. Do I think I'm the best? Not at all, I make mistakes, sometimes I'm unable to explain why there is an error in something but others see it right away, and those who have studied logic more than me would be better.

Though you have your people who are more and less logical, humans are very capable of seeing if something is logical or not by themselves. There's no need for some higher authority to baby feed us the answers because it's so beyond ourselves to figure it out. It's not being arrogant. It's not the same as saying humans know everything. It's just not something outside our reach. It's like math. A plus B equals C. If A and B, then C. If we were talking about math, and you said "'what makes mathematical sense to me' places you as the authority over all things. Wow! I can't image that" you see how that can sound off? I mean, yeah, humans are very capable of solving equations/coming to a logical conclusion... we don't need God to do our calculations for us, we're not that dim... saying that the completed equations/opinions people make should be mathematically correct/make sense to others for them to accept them isn't putting us as the authority over all things... Logic is just following the pattern and seeing that this leads to that.