Is gun really the answer?

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I am just on the neutral side because I am in the facility where I usually saw guns.
I know the pros and cons@ Britt
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britt13 wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 17:01
n-dai che wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 16:54
britt13 wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 15:54

That is a wonderful quote! I think the fat egos is the most poignant one. Sometimes it seems that so many gun owners just want to be "right" in their right to have guns that they are unwilling to listen to facts about issues with them. I find it very disheartening, especially because I love to talk to people with different views and find out the "why" of what makes them tick. So many pro-gun are impossible to have a good conversation with about it though.
I got your point. Gun is not the only answer for violence, but if it is your last resort for defense on behalf of many people, I'd rather shoot one than giving the time for the killer to shoot many lives.
I would rather their just not be an option for the "shooter" to be shooting. I get that people are using the self-defense thing, and while I personally would not use a gun I understand why others would be lead to. I have trouble following your thought process though N Dai Che because you seem to agree with guns sometimes and then not on other posts. Then you talk about how God will provide but now you are saying you would use a gun to kill. I guess I will just refrain from posting on your comments going forward because I think I am just letting myself get frustrated with how you seem to just want to agree with a post for the sake of posting. I was really enjoying talking to people on here, so I posted a lot. Then it got to where I was at the top and I was excited I was going to win a gift card as a bonus to the good conversation. Then you just started posting one sentence responses to everything racking up the posts to clearly just win. Seems like it kind of took away from the fun-natured challenge to actually discuss the book and maybe win a gift card at the end.
It is not for the sake of gift card. I can relate to this controversial issue of guns because I am in the field with weapons at the same time caring for the wounded.
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"I would rather their just not be an option for the "shooter" to be shooting. I get that people are using the self-defense thing, and while I personally would not use a gun I understand why others would be lead to. I have trouble following your thought process though N Dai Che because you seem to agree with guns sometimes and then not on other posts. Then you talk about how God will provide but now you are saying you would use a gun to kill. I guess I will just refrain from posting on your comments going forward because I think I am just letting myself get frustrated with how you seem to just want to agree with a post for the sake of posting. I was really enjoying talking to people on here, so I posted a lot. Then it got to where I was at the top and I was excited I was going to win a gift card as a bonus to the good conversation. Then you just started posting one sentence responses to everything racking up the posts to clearly just win. Seems like it kind of took away from the fun-natured challenge to actually discuss the book and maybe win a gift card at the end." @ Britt

The book tackles hot issue about guns that is why I can relate easily because the story stirred my thoughts on that.
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n-dai che wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 17:32 "I would rather their just not be an option for the "shooter" to be shooting. I get that people are using the self-defense thing, and while I personally would not use a gun I understand why others would be lead to. I have trouble following your thought process though N Dai Che because you seem to agree with guns sometimes and then not on other posts. Then you talk about how God will provide but now you are saying you would use a gun to kill. I guess I will just refrain from posting on your comments going forward because I think I am just letting myself get frustrated with how you seem to just want to agree with a post for the sake of posting. I was really enjoying talking to people on here, so I posted a lot. Then it got to where I was at the top and I was excited I was going to win a gift card as a bonus to the good conversation. Then you just started posting one sentence responses to everything racking up the posts to clearly just win. Seems like it kind of took away from the fun-natured challenge to actually discuss the book and maybe win a gift card at the end." @ Britt

The book tackles hot issue about guns that is why I can relate easily because the story stirred my thoughts on that.
Okay, responding in three separate posts just kind of seems to prove my point. But like I said, I will stop. This is supposed to be a place of free discussion and I was not trying to limit you on that. Just was requesting more thoughtful responses from you. I always like to get to the meat of it when talking to people. I am guilty of not always going deep enough too I suppose. I am glad that you found the book to be so thought-provoking, it definitely had that quality. I feel like between social media, talking to my husband, and talking here, I have done more talking about gun control and immigration in one month than I would have most other whole years!
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I am so happy that many share the same views regarding guns. Guns are never the answer! May God bless all of us!
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Misael wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 18:37 I am so happy that many share the same views regarding guns. Guns are never the answer! May God bless all of us!
That is something I found surprising as well. I thought there would be more people who hated the book because they were pro-gun. Maybe that means more and more people are starting to see the issue of guns? Or is it something about the kind of people that would read books on this site? Who knows? I was just happy to see so many people talking about the different issues surrounding guns and having thoughtful discussions about it, while also focusing on the book.
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Camille Turner wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 15:16 I don't know if a gun is ever the answer. I've been an expat for the last few years living in countries where guns are banned and I don't ever feel unsafe. On the contrary, I feel safer because I never hear stories of accidental shootings, school shootings, etc. (except when my news alert seems to go off every day with a story of one back home in the States). If other countries can protect themselves without guns, Americans can too. The one difficulty that lies in this is perhaps that as guns are already allowed in the States, people question whether they need a gun to defend themselves from someone else with a gun. That's a tough one.
You are right Camille. It feels safer when people are free from even thinking about bad stuff that may happen. I guess there is a need for US citizens to be constantly reminded of positivity and the fact that you do not have to possess a gun to feel safe.
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Misael wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 18:37 I am so happy that many share the same views regarding guns. Guns are never the answer! May God bless all of us!
Yeah right! I learned many things in this controversial issue of guns.
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ADE_96 wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 00:21
Camille Turner wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 15:16 I don't know if a gun is ever the answer. I've been an expat for the last few years living in countries where guns are banned and I don't ever feel unsafe. On the contrary, I feel safer because I never hear stories of accidental shootings, school shootings, etc. (except when my news alert seems to go off every day with a story of one back home in the States). If other countries can protect themselves without guns, Americans can too. The one difficulty that lies in this is perhaps that as guns are already allowed in the States, people question whether they need a gun to defend themselves from someone else with a gun. That's a tough one.
You are right Camille. It feels safer when people are free from even thinking about bad stuff that may happen. I guess there is a need for US citizens to be constantly reminded of positivity and the fact that you do not have to possess a gun to feel safe.
You're right! If only this thing will happen, but I guess nowadays, "we are just dreaming".
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ADE_96 wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 00:21
Camille Turner wrote: 13 Mar 2018, 15:16 I don't know if a gun is ever the answer. I've been an expat for the last few years living in countries where guns are banned and I don't ever feel unsafe. On the contrary, I feel safer because I never hear stories of accidental shootings, school shootings, etc. (except when my news alert seems to go off every day with a story of one back home in the States). If other countries can protect themselves without guns, Americans can too. The one difficulty that lies in this is perhaps that as guns are already allowed in the States, people question whether they need a gun to defend themselves from someone else with a gun. That's a tough one.
You are right Camille. It feels safer when people are free from even thinking about bad stuff that may happen. I guess there is a need for US citizens to be constantly reminded of positivity and the fact that you do not have to possess a gun to feel safe.
Thank you for your comment! Yes, I agree with you. And the current US news really feeds people's anxiety over the whole situation.
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britt13 wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 15:57
Zilelabelle wrote: 23 Mar 2018, 12:29 I think that our society is heading in a direction where guns are commonplace enough that everyone needs them. We aren’t there yet though. I believe cooler heads and better diplomacy still have a chance to allow us to ratchet down a few notches so we can be like our other first-world cousins who have better gun control and less gun violence.
What do you think is the sign that we are past hope? I am just curious, not really judging if you are right or wrong. I have to have faith that we can still fix it though to keep me sane. That being said, voting is an important component of my "faith" because we can not just expect things to fix themselves.
I don’t think we are past hope yet, but I see too many stories these days of students getting expelled and suspended for participating in walkouts and calling their congressmen. When the people aren’t allowed to dissent, the only choice is dissent. And mass dissent is never pretty.
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As I heard the news, US is the best in guns and known the best weapons. This book is a concept to that issue. It seems that the only fiction here is just the watch while the rest happens in reality .
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Zilelabelle wrote: 01 Apr 2018, 12:22
britt13 wrote: 31 Mar 2018, 15:57
Zilelabelle wrote: 23 Mar 2018, 12:29 I think that our society is heading in a direction where guns are commonplace enough that everyone needs them. We aren’t there yet though. I believe cooler heads and better diplomacy still have a chance to allow us to ratchet down a few notches so we can be like our other first-world cousins who have better gun control and less gun violence.
What do you think is the sign that we are past hope? I am just curious, not really judging if you are right or wrong. I have to have faith that we can still fix it though to keep me sane. That being said, voting is an important component of my "faith" because we can not just expect things to fix themselves.
I don’t think we are past hope yet, but I see too many stories these days of students getting expelled and suspended for participating in walkouts and calling their congressmen. When the people aren’t allowed to dissent, the only choice is dissent. And mass dissent is never pretty.
Ohhh, it's sounds alarming though, yet the government's action is fluctuating. So sad..
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No. Guns are so not the answer. I'd rather not get my hands dirty in any situation whatsoever. I understand that things could get really dangerous and one might need a source of protection but gun is more dangerous than its worth of protection.
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I believe in us. People just have to get their heads out of their phones and tvs enough to start protesting. Loudly. I think it's the laziness that's our biggest enemy.
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