Toni's dislikes

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Sarah Tariq wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 10:43
Helen_Combe wrote: 04 Jul 2018, 00:55 I think dislikes would detract from the sunny charm of the book.
But don't you think that adding his dislikes would give a more balanced view of Toni's personality. And if we see it positively it can help children to abandon some negative traits, like we can say "Toni dislikes throwing garbage out of the house." Just through pictures and in simple words. Children would like to mimic that what the Toni ( their favourite character) dislikes, they should avoid this too.
And parents can also use this to remind children that you(children) should stay away from all those habits which your superhero avoids.
You mean have his dislikes be things such as:
Littering
Dirty Floors
Messy bedroom
Chocolate (JK!)

I guess when I have kids my first strategy would be to get them to see things from the "positive" point of view and by positive I don't mean sunny/optimistic/happy, I mean avoiding "not" type terms. So Toni likes to clean versus Toni doesn't like/dislikes things to be dirty. And not jump to the concept of, sometimes you have to do things you don't like. Just a personal preference.
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kfwilson6 wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 11:27
Sarah Tariq wrote: 06 Jul 2018, 10:43
Helen_Combe wrote: 04 Jul 2018, 00:55 I think dislikes would detract from the sunny charm of the book.
But don't you think that adding his dislikes would give a more balanced view of Toni's personality. And if we see it positively it can help children to abandon some negative traits, like we can say "Toni dislikes throwing garbage out of the house." Just through pictures and in simple words. Children would like to mimic that what the Toni ( their favourite character) dislikes, they should avoid this too.
And parents can also use this to remind children that you(children) should stay away from all those habits which your superhero avoids.
You mean have his dislikes be things such as:
Littering
Dirty Floors
Messy bedroom
Chocolate (JK!)

I guess when I have kids my first strategy would be to get them to see things from the "positive" point of view and by positive I don't mean sunny/optimistic/happy, I mean avoiding "not" type terms. So Toni likes to clean versus Toni doesn't like/dislikes things to be dirty. And not jump to the concept of, sometimes you have to do things you don't like. Just a personal preference.
I was struggling reading the thread to come up with any ideas of "healthy" dislikes, as opposed to "Toni dislikes cauliflower", or something of the sort - but those are good suggestions. I like it as it is for a very first reader though.
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Helen_Combe wrote: 04 Jul 2018, 00:55 I think dislikes would detract from the sunny charm of the book.
Great comment. :tiphat: The story is so cute to add something that might create confusion to young readers.
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I feel like with children they are very prone to repeat what they see or hear. So if they see that a superhero (to them) dislikes vegetables, it may encourage them to also say that they don't like vegetables.
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I think that including Toni's dislikes could be important to the story in some cases. For instance, there might be a chore or two that Toni doesn't enjoy doing, but he could learn to enjoy it or at least learn that it's something he needs to do. However, I don't think including his dislikes would be particularly important to the first, introductory story. This book was very positive, which helps readers start liking Toni very quickly, and adding negative factors might have detracted from that. When you first meet someone, you do not immediately begin telling them your negative qualities; when your readers first meet your character, you don't immediately tell them their character flaws.
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This is an interesting question. Since the author's goal is to teach, juxtaposing "I like" and "I don't like" might have been useful.

How difficult to be a writer, especially of children's books, no? There are so many things to consider and prioritize. I'm interested to read future books to see the direction the author takes.
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I could not even imagine Toni frowning. I think dislikes will dampen the happy and light atmosphere of the book in general. Another point, using dislikes will need explanation and therefore longer sentences. Unlike likes you only have to draw a happy and smiling Toni and it will be a given. :)
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PABS wrote: 08 Jul 2018, 19:18 This is an interesting question. Since the author's goal is to teach, juxtaposing "I like" and "I don't like" might have been useful.

How difficult to be a writer, especially of children's books, no? There are so many things to consider and prioritize. I'm interested to read future books to see the direction the author takes.
Our forum discussions indicate how many factors there are to consider that children won't even consciously be aware are impacting them. It's great how many lessons this short book can offer and children will just see it as a fun book about a superhero.
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Some of the likes already imply a dislike. Toni likes to dust (he dislikes a messy room). I wouldn't mind seeing some dislikes. I believe in trying to prepare children for the real world. The important thing is their attitude. "Toni dislikes a messy room. Toni likes to dust."
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I think the better reason for adding Toni's dislikes would be to teach children to read more than one type of sentence.
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I don't think that dislikes are necessary to this book. The author uses repetitive and simple phrasing to reinforce early reading skills. If the intended audience were older, then perhaps a healthy variety of likes and dislikes would be appealing. With this particular book, I think sticking to the basics is great. Using "like" also helps to make it look more desirable to eat the right foods, sleep well, and do your chores.
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It could have been good, yes. But who knows, maybe some will begin disliking something for reading it on a book. I think dislikes will definitely develop as one goes on in life. It is a process of self-awareness that never stops, I will not, therefore, crucify the author for failing to include them. Her intention was to portray Toni as a superhero and perhaps get a lesson or two to the kids.
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FictionLover wrote: 10 Jul 2018, 17:50 I think the better reason for adding Toni's dislikes would be to teach children to read more than one type of sentence.
Amen.

I think it's telling as to the sheer nothing-ness of this book that we're reduced to debating whether or not including dislike would have improved it. Is that and Toni's race really the only topic we can find to talk about? The fact that this thread exists is proof that the book is generally lacking substance, and I find the lauding it's getting absurd.
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NRoach wrote: 11 Jul 2018, 08:59
FictionLover wrote: 10 Jul 2018, 17:50 I think the better reason for adding Toni's dislikes would be to teach children to read more than one type of sentence.
Amen.

I think it's telling as to the sheer nothing-ness of this book that we're reduced to debating whether or not including dislike would have improved it. Is that and Toni's race really the only topic we can find to talk about? The fact that this thread exists is proof that the book is generally lacking substance, and I find the lauding it's getting absurd.

Well, I did enjoy the book.

I read to my son from when he was a toddler and I found the concept and the illustrations appealing and think I would have no problem reading this one, too. In my experience, little ones (I'm talking 3-6 or 7 years) live in their own little fantasy world where putting on a cape makes them a superhero whether they are playing on the floor, or running across the grass with the cape flapping behind them. So the aspect that Toni is not really a superhero does not bother me.

However, and this is just my humble opinion, I think it is obvious that the author is not an educator or anyone who has studied early childhood language acquisition. As an undergrad I studied languages and linguistics and it is obvious to me, that the average child can easily comprehend more than one sentence structure. I think an educator or professional writer would have focused on the verbs and changed them up so that the child could hear and read a simple structure which can be used in many ways. Making "like" the dominant verb is overly simplistic and limits discussion.

And you are right, even back in the day, when I learned to read with Dick, Jane and Spot, there was a simple plot, even if it was just that Dick and Jane are playing outside. It sounds ridiculous to a modern ear, but "See Dick run. Run Dick run. See Spot run . . . etc" is a primer that is focused on the verbs, and makes sure the child can identify, comprehend and speak simple words out-loud. We were supposed to be able to understand, read aloud in class and write these simple sentences.

Toni the Superhero is a mom's take on a reading primer, so it lacks certain aspects, that I guess she does not think are necessary.
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I believe that children a fairly easy influenced I believe that if the author started naming Toni's dislikes it has the possibility to have a negative effect.
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