Effectiveness of alternative medicines against cancer

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EvaDar wrote: 05 Nov 2019, 01:05
larue6358 wrote: 26 Aug 2019, 09:51 When it comes to cancer, in my experience, traditional medicine is your best bet to eradicate, halt tumour growth, etc. Natural medicine is very helpful as a palliative to ease side effects from both the illness and the treatment.
Traditional medicine is definitely your best bet for eradicating cancer, in the same way that a lobotomy is the best way to eradicate depression. Respectfully, chemotherapy should be illegal, and one day it will be looked upon as being about as successful as bloodletting or the Vietnam War. Many who survive the treatment, while required to adopt the compulsory gratitude for being alive, are suffering serious long-term health consequences from "traditional medicine." I greatly appreciate the effort this author has put forth to offer a less barbaric approach.
I do agree and I don't know why so many 'alternative methods' are written off as not working before they are even tried.

In the past, there were no methods except these 'alternative' ones. There was actually no alternative so people were cured and survived using such methods.

I mean, if there is a real need to use any method and there are a benefit and no harm then they can be used

At least natural methods do not harm or create other problems
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I wrote my final year dissertation on Leukemia. I studied both conventional and alternative medicine. I concluded that:

alternative medicine does not treat the root of the disease but rather tackles the symptoms;
dealing with the symptoms and the side effects of chemotherapy may have a huge impact on how patients deal with the therapy;
having an impact on the patient's psychology, alternative medicine may actually have a huge impact on the outcome of the therapy;
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tjportugal wrote: 28 Apr 2020, 06:09 alternative medicine does not treat the root of the disease but rather tackles the symptoms;
dealing with the symptoms and the side effects of chemotherapy may have a huge impact on how patients deal with the therapy;
having an impact on the patient's psychology, alternative medicine may actually have a huge impact on the outcome of the therapy;
It sounds like an interesting exploration, your dissertation. I wonder what modalities you studied and would be interested in that.

I agree that there is an important use for holistic medicine in treating symptoms. Alternative/Integrative/non-traditional/holistic medicine is more about an orientation to treatment than a rule about treating symptoms or causes. The intention is to affect the core cause of illness. In the process, symptoms can be targeted. Chinese medicine (acupuncture, etc) works with balancing the energetic meridians that are at the core of health. It may be used to alleviate pain or nausea and it works well for those conditions. So yes, symptoms will be affected. The difference is, these treatments have the implicit added bonus of targeting the origin of the symptom. Meditation might be suggested to treat anxiety or insomnia. There is a definite cause-effect relationship because it is often successful. Due to the chemical and energetic changes in the body when practicing meditation, underlying the symptom treatment, there is a deeper transformation that will affect the health of other systems.

Certainly non-traditional treatments may be called on to treat pain or other symptoms. But to say "alternative medicine does not treat the root of the disease but rather tackles the symptoms," is missing the forest for the trees and is a leap that is not based in fact or research. Thanks for the dialogue.
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EvaDar wrote: 30 Apr 2020, 21:33 But to say "alternative medicine does not treat the root of the disease but rather tackles the symptoms," is missing the forest for the trees and is a leap that is not based in fact or research. Thanks for the dialogue.
My conclusions were based on research, that's for sure. It may be the case that the articles I came across were incorrect, but I seriously doubt that. The articles were written by specialists in alternative/integrative/non-traditional/holistic medicine, not by skeptics.

My dissertation consisted of literature review; meaning that, instead of testing a substance and writing a report about the experiment, I read the articles written about experiments carried out by other scientists and tried to summarize it all. The number of articles I dealt with were in the thousands, then summarized into about 90 pages.
EvaDar wrote: 30 Apr 2020, 21:33 There is a definite cause-effect relationship because it is often successful.
Being successful only shows a positive correlation. It does not confirm a cause-effect relationship. To confirm such a relationship, in experimental sciences, it takes a ridiculously more detailed research.
EvaDar wrote: 30 Apr 2020, 21:33 Due to the chemical and energetic changes in the body when practicing meditation, underlying the symptom treatment, there is a deeper transformation that will affect the health of other systems.
There are chemical changes in the body, that's true. As for energetic changes, experimental sciences have a different concept of "energy" than western medicine. One challenge I came across, during my dissertation, was the "translation" of concepts and terminology from one type of medical approach to the other.

This is a very interesting topic and I guess we could go on an endless dialogue about it.
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I keep coming back to read the comments here. My mom passed away with cancer 7 years ago, and I still don't know if I want to read this book or not. I want to read it, but I think it may bring up too many emotions. I just keep coming back here to read comments, one day I'll make up my mind ☺️.
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I am very sorry about the diagnosis of your mother. Like most people here, I have had close relatives who fell to cancer and I know it is not an easy battle to fight. Alternative therapy may not be recognized enough to be standardized, but I believe so much in it's potential. Coming from Africa where there is an abundance of traditional medicine, I can say that some of these trado-medical practitioners and the medicine they administer should be given heavy financial and professional backing to help them get the best of what they do
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I think it is very helpful to write about such topics and get people thinking. We may need this information eomeday
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kandscreeley wrote: 02 Jan 2019, 11:23 I am using alternative treatments to treat myself. However, I do not have cancer. Traditional medicine has failed me. I tried everything that they offered with no relief. In desperation, I turned to natural medicines, and my life got 1000% better. However, I have seen lies about the herbs that I use. Flat out lies. Big pharma doesn't want you to know that there are natural cures out there that are MORE effective than theirs with LESS side effects. Why? Because they make BILLIONS of dollars. They can't patent natural medicine. They can't make money off of it. So, are there other treatments that will cure cancer? Yes! I'm positive of it.
Yes, I agree with you. Chemotherapy has a lot of side effects. When my mom was diagnosed with cancer she went through all those treatments, and the side effects was massive. By the time we realised there were other natural treatments it was too late.
But that taught us something, we mostly use natural treatments now for other illness.
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I believe I'm qualified to answer this as I speak from personal experience. I would caution putting all your hopes on one side or the other. Rather view the so-called "alternative" medicines as complementary to your conventional treatment.
I think a better approach would be to stop looking for a cure and rather look for a management system that supports quality of life.

Conventional treatments such as radiation and chemo cause a lot of collateral damage. This is where the "alternative" medicines can be a big help. Restoring your micronutrient balance, clearing up free radicals and strengthening your liver function. All this helps your body heal itself and puts you back on track. At the very least, it canmake you feel a bit better. I think a better approach would be to stop looking for a cure and rather look for a management system that supports quality of life.
Best wishes to everyone in this unfortunate position. It's not easy, but you can do it with a holistic approach.
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I am a believer in natural remedies. I think the alternative options presented by Sylvie should be tried out.
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