Is Big Pharma a Conspiracy or Not?

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Yes, Big Pharma is greedy and money hungry. Non of it is a conspiracy since I, personally, consider it the biggest example of capitalism.
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a9436 wrote: 03 Jan 2019, 08:46 I definitely see big pharma as a greedy, unethical symbol of capitalism, and it is refreshing to see a critique being given such attention.
I work in the pharmaceutical field... in a retail pharmacy. I can honestly say greed is such and intense role in the everyday operation of the pharmacy. The rules placed on us by the “higher ups” ensure that customers are unhappy and employees are put in undesirable situations. This topic needs more attention. Our situations get worse as each day passes, and I am becoming terrified for my safety to even go to my place of employment.
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I completely back the author.

Now a days, there is a pill for everything. If it is ineffective for you, they are quick to push three more on you. The "fix" to everything seems to be a medication, and God help you if you tell the doctor you would prefer not to take meds. Yet, beyond "take this pill," there is no solution to fix the problems that pills cannot.

Between this and the opiod crisis, the author is spot on.
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Having worked in the biopharm research industry I know how much money is involved in every aspect of drug development. It is a huge industry and it would be foolish to think that finances aren’t one of the most significant factors in determining how things are done. Fortunately at least some regulation is also in place to at least somewhat emphasize the importance of both safety AND efficacy in the medicines put out to the public.
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I always think that big pharma is producing high priced medications and don't want to see cures because they would not make the money from insurance companies. Not sure how that can be stopped, I guess legislation is what is needed.
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AndrewZachariah wrote: 03 Jan 2019, 01:34 Heaving finished this book, and glanced through some of the other topics and replies in other forums, I have noticed a debate beginning as to whether or not the story of Sylvie's family was just a bunch of conspiracy theories. Given your impression of the book and/or other experiences you've had, do you think the story of the author's struggle is true? Do you feel the Big Pharma is a reality? How do you think pharmaceutical companies and government are affecting the healthcare systems with regard to access of information, treatment, and use of holistic methods?

I firmly believe there is some significant grains of truth to the story the author was telling of what her family experienced. Pharmaceutical corporations run medicine, especially in western countries. As an example of another natural remedy that faced a similar experience to the herbs mentioned in the book, one might look into Ibogaine. This herb is an incredibly powerful anti-depressant, and an extremely successful treatment for fibromyalgia, chronic pain, and assisting with detoxification from extreme addiction. It too has been studied and tested; however in the United States, this is considered a class I federal substance, the same classification THC marijuana continues to have on a federal level.

Similarly, I find that insurance companies, particularly state health insurance, is often willing to shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars for highly addictive, dangerous substances to treat pain and chronic pain disorders. These same companies are entirely unwilling to pay for massage therapy, which may be just as successful and significantly less dangerous. They may pay for physical therapy, but only up to twelve sessions a year. Forget about acupuncture, that won't be covered in the slightest.

I certainly think there is some truth to collusion between Big Pharma, health insurance companies, and legislature, especially in the United States. What do you think?
I am really conflicted about her claim that she couldn't patent her extractions. Where I live medical marijuana is a patented pill that can only be obtained by prescription. How could they patent an extract and she couldn't?
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Coming from the UK where we have a national health service, the question of conspiracy isn’t so relevant, though big corporations do sometimes lock the NHSinto buying particular drugs because of the contract they have with them.
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Big pharma is a business. And like every business, their main goal is to make as much money as they can. Of course they will do anything to reach their goal. So yes, it is a conspiracy.
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Absolutely. The pharmaceutical companies feed the medical industry and vice versa. The poor old patient is just grist for the mill in that flawed paradigm. There is no interest in actually treating illness when you've got a giant corporation peddling chemical agents that numb your symptoms and make you a reliant automaton. I have some opinions on the issue; I might need a Xanax...
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I lived in the USA for a short time, so I was able to see the difference in healthcare systems in comparison to where I live here, in the UK. It is interesting to compare the effects of Big Pharma. I feel as though it is not as prominent in the UK
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lotus784 wrote: 16 Jan 2019, 22:57 I think most companies are in it just for the money. I think a lot of unethical things happen for precisely that reason. I think a lot of times natural remedies are sufficient for a lot of things, however I still think for others it's worth the risk.
Quite unfortunate! Because of greed of some individual, the populace are suffering and many loose their lives.
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From a medical perspective, a patient's history and condition may not create an ideal situation for treatment using certain herbs, regimen or other medication. In fact these circumstances may worsen the prognosis for such patients. Side effects as well are a major deterrent of course, as well as their severity. Then there is the issue of concrete evidence and time consuming clinical trials. On the other hand it should carefully be weighed whether the benefits of using alternative medicine will outweigh the risks. There are pharmaceutical ways of treating patients effectively albeit at extremely expensive costs, but it must also be taken into consideration costs of formulating, undertaking clinical trials, patents, research and development are also necessary.Therefore there may not be financial motivation or incentive to use alternative medicine.
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I think that drug companies do have a great deal of control in the medical industry, but it's also true that many natural remedies are not approved for use because they have not gone through the same testing as lab-made drugs. I think the solution is to increase clinical trials and research with natural remedies.
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Juliana_Isabella wrote: 26 Mar 2019, 11:15 I think that drug companies do have a great deal of control in the medical industry, but it's also true that many natural remedies are not approved for use because they have not gone through the same testing as lab-made drugs. I think the solution is to increase clinical trials and research with natural remedies.
I have heard of promising alternative medical researches that have been suppressed from different quotas
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Juliana_Isabella wrote: 26 Mar 2019, 11:15 I think that drug companies do have a great deal of control in the medical industry, but it's also true that many natural remedies are not approved for use because they have not gone through the same testing as lab-made drugs. I think the solution is to increase clinical trials and research with natural remedies.
I think the point Sylvie Beljanski makes in her book is that the clinical trials system is the way in which natural remedies are squeezed out. Producers of natural remedies tend not to have the money it takes to conduct these trials, unlike the big pharmaceutical corporations. Don't know if that constitutes a conspiracy as such, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.
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