How the people around us help or hinder our spiritual journey and our responses.
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What really irks me about lieing, that you felt the need to do so in the first place. I know this reflects more on the liar than on the person they are lying to, but allowing someone to lie to me or around me, I would have to call them on it and then most likely disassociate myself from them.
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It's true that when you believed that person, but when that illusion is gone? Remember the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." We don't have to lose our forgiving nature because of someone's lies, but we are most times given the ability to discern the truth, just because we are forgiving and trusting doesn't mean that we should allow lying, strength in forgiveness and growth all involves a mature approach to someone who lies. Some people feed on lies and if you don't defend yourself from this(your response) then they will never stop.MirageP wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 12:20 I don't think believing someone else's lies hinders one's spiritual journey. Telling the lie is on their conscience. Believing their lie, giving them the benefit of doubt shows your own forgiving nature. If anything, it will take you forward spiritually. Even if you are deceived, it can be taken as a positive lesson.
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Maybe it depends on your relationship with the liar? I'd be willing to believe, and to forgive, some people more than others. But yes, others' negativity does take a toll on our spirit, and spiritual journey. Compassion and understanding must go in hand with self preservation and worldliness.Dragonsend wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 12:38
It's true that when you believed that person, but when that illusion is gone? Remember the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." We don't have to lose our forgiving nature because of someone's lies, but we are most times given the ability to discern the truth, just because we are forgiving and trusting doesn't mean that we should allow lying, strength in forgiveness and growth all involves a mature approach to someone who lies. Some people feed on lies and if you don't defend yourself from this(your response) then they will never stop.
-Louise Penny, in the acknowledgements section of "Still Life"
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You are correct and every situation is different. I have done a lot of work with addicts and people who lie, I consider myself a very gracious person, however, in the kind of situations I deal with, I know that the lying has to stop for any kind of life to emerge.MirageP wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 12:57Maybe it depends on your relationship with the liar? I'd be willing to believe, and to forgive, some people more than others. But yes, others' negativity does take a toll on our spirit, and spiritual journey. Compassion and understanding must go in hand with self preservation and worldliness.Dragonsend wrote: ↑14 Jun 2019, 12:38
It's true that when you believed that person, but when that illusion is gone? Remember the old saying "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me." We don't have to lose our forgiving nature because of someone's lies, but we are most times given the ability to discern the truth, just because we are forgiving and trusting doesn't mean that we should allow lying, strength in forgiveness and growth all involves a mature approach to someone who lies. Some people feed on lies and if you don't defend yourself from this(your response) then they will never stop.
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So yes, the people around us have great influence on our spiritual journeys.
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It is a shame that they don't have someone that can approach them in a way that doesn't make them defensive, peer pressure to change so that you will fit in then you start losing your unique identity.Kansas City Teacher wrote: ↑20 Jun 2019, 08:37 Anyone who has been in the halls of an American high school will tell you that social pressure is no joke. I am seeing more and more of this: students from other countries abandoning their religion at the doorway of the school. They go into restrooms and change, then change again before they go home. At graduation they look completely different.
So yes, the people around us have great influence on our spiritual journeys.
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