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Bettercallyourbookie wrote: 11 Jul 2019, 10:10 This book is for a very specific audience. If you don’t understand Gnostic beliefs, you’ll be lost.
I think I explain enough for most to get the point. I have two books, btw. https://www.amazon.com/Bible-says-Savio ... ler+robert - the Author
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kmwarren20 wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 10:35 I think that the author proposes an interesting concept. I find myself unconvinced by it, however. Perhaps others might get something out of this book, though.
I share your opinion ill read it but i don't think anything will change for me
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Fatima_Palacios wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 16:59
kmwarren20 wrote: 05 Jul 2019, 10:35 I think that the author proposes an interesting concept. I find myself unconvinced by it, however. Perhaps others might get something out of this book, though.
I share your opinion ill read it but i don't think anything will change for me
This is new information unknown to anyone before the 1970's and 1990's. It changes everything for Christianity. I can't control how people will react, but the evidence is the evidence.
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This book was an absolutely phenomenal read for me. I have loved diving into theological studies time and again, and one of the aspects I find most fascinating is the evolution of religions and spirituality. Modern Christianity is virtually unrecognizable from what it was in ages past. Every time a text is translated or modernized, something gets changed - whether intentionally or unintentionally (usually the former). This means that each generation is getting a somewhat different version of the story than those before them. Let's not even get into the various schisms!

Misreading Judas is one of the few texts I've come across that is able to establish and reconcile the variations between Gnostic, Jewish, and Christian texts of varying age and language.
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Kyrenora wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:07 This book was an absolutely phenomenal read for me. I have loved diving into theological studies time and again, and one of the aspects I find most fascinating is the evolution of religions and spirituality. Modern Christianity is virtually unrecognizable from what it was in ages past. Every time a text is translated or modernized, something gets changed - whether intentionally or unintentionally (usually the former). This means that each generation is getting a somewhat different version of the story than those before them. Let's not even get into the various schisms!

Misreading Judas is one of the few texts I've come across that is able to establish and reconcile the variations between Gnostic, Jewish, and Christian texts of varying age and language.
Kyenora,
Do you think you could put that on Amazon for me? I'm getting beat up pretty bad in the reviews there. :)
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The book provides clear research and documentation regarding current Christian teachings and The Gospel of Judas and Gnostic teachings. The author's conclusions regarding the context in which to view the history are worth considering. A more thorough knowledge of The New Testament and Gnostic teachings would have been helpful to me in reading and understanding everything that the author presented. The author did provide additional sources which I may pursue in order to become more knowledgeable and to be able to more fully understand the author's comparisons and points. I would recommend the book to those who are open to new information on The Gospels and their interpretation and to those who have a knowledge base to appreciate the author's points and conclusions.
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This is the kind of book our world would love. One that seeks to undermine the Bible. But sadly for the author, he failed woefully.
He tried to call the Bible a lie. And used very shallow and unconvincing stuffs to ascertain his fictitious claims. But everyone who reads this should see the truth clearly.
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Sahansdal wrote: 14 Jul 2019, 05:38
Kyrenora wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:07 This book was an absolutely phenomenal read for me. I have loved diving into theological studies time and again, and one of the aspects I find most fascinating is the evolution of religions and spirituality. Modern Christianity is virtually unrecognizable from what it was in ages past. Every time a text is translated or modernized, something gets changed - whether intentionally or unintentionally (usually the former). This means that each generation is getting a somewhat different version of the story than those before them. Let's not even get into the various schisms!

Misreading Judas is one of the few texts I've come across that is able to establish and reconcile the variations between Gnostic, Jewish, and Christian texts of varying age and language.
Kyenora,
Do you think you could put that on Amazon for me? I'm getting beat up pretty bad in the reviews there. :)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15246 ... 5K32J6D6Y1
I would be happy to! I can understand why a lot of people want to defend their faith against this argument. When you grow up with a story, it can be hard to watch it change narrative in any way. Just think of how some people reacted to Disney's casting for the upcoming live-action version of The Little Mermaid! I think many of them would be traumatized to learn how the original story went. However, to truly understand the faith that one has, it's important to understand the origins.

I don't think that many people realize that there are huge chunks - full chapters, entire Gospels - of text that were removed from the Bible a few centuries ago because they weren't "relevant," according to the Vatican. Huge amounts of the history of Christianity (and the other major monotheistic religions) has been left on the cutting room floor, depriving the average devotee a large portion of their religious identity. I find it truly unfortunate.
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Kyrenora wrote: 15 Jul 2019, 06:46
Sahansdal wrote: 14 Jul 2019, 05:38
Kyrenora wrote: 13 Jul 2019, 21:07 This book was an absolutely phenomenal read for me. I have loved diving into theological studies time and again, and one of the aspects I find most fascinating is the evolution of religions and spirituality. Modern Christianity is virtually unrecognizable from what it was in ages past. Every time a text is translated or modernized, something gets changed - whether intentionally or unintentionally (usually the former). This means that each generation is getting a somewhat different version of the story than those before them. Let's not even get into the various schisms!

Misreading Judas is one of the few texts I've come across that is able to establish and reconcile the variations between Gnostic, Jewish, and Christian texts of varying age and language.
Kyenora,
Do you think you could put that on Amazon for me? I'm getting beat up pretty bad in the reviews there. :)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15246 ... 5K32J6D6Y1
I would be happy to! I can understand why a lot of people want to defend their faith against this argument. When you grow up with a story, it can be hard to watch it change narrative in any way. Just think of how some people reacted to Disney's casting for the upcoming live-action version of The Little Mermaid! I think many of them would be traumatized to learn how the original story went. However, to truly understand the faith that one has, it's important to understand the origins.

I don't think that many people realize that there are huge chunks - full chapters, entire Gospels - of text that were removed from the Bible a few centuries ago because they weren't "relevant," according to the Vatican. Huge amounts of the history of Christianity (and the other major monotheistic religions) has been left on the cutting room floor, depriving the average devotee a large portion of their religious identity. I find it truly unfortunate.
Hmm. I'm wondering just what text you mean. Thanks for reviewing! I find this endlessly fascinating, even though it was many years ago that I was a traditional believer (1974).
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I'm not a Christian although I was raised in the church before rejecting it. I want to give this book a try because the story of the betrayal has never made sense to me. Jesus is portrayed as riding into Jerusalem with everybody singing his praises. He appears in public in the temple and does not appear to be concerned with hiding from the authorities. Yet for some reason an insider has to tell the authorities where they can arrest him - um...why not just have 2 holy land gumshoes follow him and arrest him at a convenient moment? Wouldn't it be more likely they needed inside people to testify against him for breaking some laws?
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Pedro_72 wrote: 15 Jul 2019, 17:18 I'm not a Christian although I was raised in the church before rejecting it. I want to give this book a try because the story of the betrayal has never made sense to me. Jesus is portrayed as riding into Jerusalem with everybody singing his praises. He appears in public in the temple and does not appear to be concerned with hiding from the authorities. Yet for some reason an insider has to tell the authorities where they can arrest him - um...why not just have 2 holy land gumshoes follow him and arrest him at a convenient moment? Wouldn't it be more likely they needed inside people to testify against him for breaking some laws?
Ha. Because. It makes for a catchier story to have a dramatic scene with a revisiting of an infamous kiss involving Joab and Amasa (2 Samuel 20:9-10).
These things are all remakes from other sources. Review my book when you're done, on Amazon? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/15246 ... 5K32J6D6Y1
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The genre of this book is not my cup of tea really but the discussion and the reviews are compelling me to read it
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Areej Tahir wrote: 16 Jul 2019, 09:03 The genre of this book is not my cup of tea really but the discussion and the reviews are compelling me to read it
I think you'll find that Christianity impacts everyone in the West. It is also impacting other parts of the world, especially India and the Orient. Everyone needs to know that it is based on false teachings derived from an inversion of gnostic originals. Please review my book on Amazon if you read it. OK? I think you will agree that this is important NEW information from the recent gnostic discoveries in Egypt.
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allbooked+ wrote: 02 May 2019, 08:15 I am not sure this book is for me but I will give it a try. I wish that the sample was more than reviews of the authors work - although I was surprised that they were critical at points - so that we could get a better flavor for the authors writing. Also, it is pointed out that the author 'wants us to read the Gospel of Judas without a New Testament bias'. That should not mean that you can't take the New Testament into account. I feel that a true study of any of the books should take into account all of the books, otherwise you will have tunnel vision and the full picture will not present itself.
You gave words to my feelings honestly!
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allbooked+ wrote: 02 May 2019, 08:15 I am not sure this book is for me but I will give it a try. I wish that the sample was more than reviews of the authors work - although I was surprised that they were critical at points - so that we could get a better flavor for the authors writing. Also, it is pointed out that the author 'wants us to read the Gospel of Judas without a New Testament bias'. That should not mean that you can't take the New Testament into account. I feel that a true study of any of the books should take into account all of the books, otherwise you will have tunnel vision and the full picture will not present itself.
Well, this is kinda the whole idea of the book. I took the gnostic texts and compared them, as new information, line-for-line with the canon and other apocrypha. or traditions. In 100 pages I covered a lot of ground, for sure, but I think I was clear in why and what I was trying to show. The original texts were THE GNOSTIC, and not the canon. No Gnostic would ever borrow from a story about human sacrifice, especially not that of their blessed Master! It is barbaric and ungodly. ... And, thank God!
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