Do you think this book marks the end or christianity?

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Just an odd, interesting take on Christianity. I can think of about 100 other things that are more threatening to Christianity than this book, honestly.
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lisalynn wrote: 02 May 2019, 08:30 One book end Christianity? That's like saying, will dipping a bucket of water from the Pacific Ocean cause it to dry up.
Perfect analogy! I agree wholeheartedly!
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I don't believe that this book or any book written by man, that was not directed by Jehovah God Himself to be written can bring an end to Christianity.
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If one book could end Christianity, I think people would have tried this a long time ago.
I don't think any book could ever be the end of Christianity. Especially one spouting conspiracy theories about Jesus and Judas.
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Christianity will never end, but false divine teachings will. What I'd say is that, the book marks a fulfillment of the prophecy where it says there'll be the existence of false teachings.
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No, I don't think this book could ever end Christianity. Yes a lot of research went into gathering material for the book but in the end it is the author's choice to believe what he found in the research and run with it. I disagree wholeheartedly with the book and it doesn"t even come close to changing my mind about Jesus or Judas.
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I didn't expressly expect this book to end Christianity, but to present new period information (that is, from the time of the NT Gospels) that show -- clearly -- that the heart of the Jesus Betrayal story of Judas the traitor was a rewriting, and inversion, of a gnostic original mastership succession story. This information is obviously critical to understanding the Bible. If Judas is the sacrifice, as I show, how can Jesus be also? That would not work. Others must decide why James had to be hidden. I think the answer is too obvious to miss. Jesus was not the Master for all time. A Pauline Church co-opted the teachings of a real Master -- James -- to start a new, and false, Church. Look at the Catholic Church, the richest entity in all history. This certainly pays well! No other Master teaches martyrdom salvation, and a lot of them have said that this idea is simply mistaken. One needs to read widely! Dr. Robert Eisenman wrote three tremendous books detailing the proto-orthodox theft of Jamesian teachings to make a false narrative for the canonical Gospels. roberteisenman [dot] com

John the Baptist was A MASTER. James was A MASTER. Peter, too, likely A MASTER... Even Mary may have been, from the gnostic accounting of her. There are many other writings from equally exalted spiritual figures as John and James. Go here to see dozens of them: Scienceofthesoul [dot] org Books by the Masters, and books about the Masters.
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Julie Petitbon wrote: 02 May 2019, 13:51 This book will not mark an end of Christianity. I do think it will cause a bit of controversy and generate a lot of discussion. However, one book is not going to change the religious beliefs of millions of people.
Did you read it? I prove that the Betrayal of Christ IS FICTIONAL. Every detail in the biblical narrative of the Judas betrayal of Jesus is borrowed and inverted from the gnostic mastership succession narrative in the Apocalypses of James! That's news worth hearing.
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klballard wrote: 02 May 2019, 06:40 It’d be impossible for a single book to end Christianity. The Bible has been the most published book of all time while being the most persecuted book of all time. Christianity has survived Emperor Nero, Gnosticism, book burning, criminalization, Richard Dawkins, etc. One book might change a few minds, but it’ll do nothing to Christianity as a whole because Christianity isn’t about facts, rules, or a book, it’s about a changed life from a Person who rose from the grave. No book can counter someone’s experience.
When Judas says "Hail, Master!" it comes at the same time and place in the biblical narrative as it does in the gnostic mastership succession narrative in the gnostic Second Apocalypse of James, but with this telling difference: "Hail, BROTHER!" Why? The fact that this storytelling feature is there, and with this difference shows that one yielded the other, first of all, and secondly, that the original was THE GNOSTIC, since only later virgin-birth theological concerns of the Paulines can explain the change. The Gnostics would have no reason to change 'Master' to 'Brother' -- but the Paulines would have for a change from 'Brother' to 'Master.' The Gnostic story is the original. They wanted to hide that Jesus had brothers (later on, anyway).

This was part of making Jesus exclusively central to the expense of other Masters, like James ('Judas'). This one line, "Hail, Master!" alone is proof that there are parallel narratives, inversions of each other. This is present elsewhere in fascinating ways -- think of the "kiss" of Judas. It is there, too, in the Apocalypses of James, both of them. It was originally a kiss of spiritual union in the gnostic telling. The orthodox Gospel authors make it into a kiss of a traitor. Think of Mark 14:51-2 and "stripped and fleeing naked." The Gnostics have it as a spiritual dynamic of ascent within in meditation. This is also in parallel place in both stories. Great way to get rid of a troublesome heir. The Bible story IS FALSE.
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Christianity is about your faith in God, your relationship with him. I am a catholic but I don't often read the Bible, its good to have knowledge that you read from a book or the bible but its not the basis of our faith. Religion is not about a certain book, its about your relationship with your God.
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I don't believe it's possible that one book could end Christianity...ever.
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I think it shows how Christianity was formed in an Era where people wanted to believe that the life of biblical leaders was only for the benefit of God. Today people believe that the life of biblical people are examples of how people should live. So, it can be the beginning of a new wisdom and knowledge practice of living. But not the end of Christianity.
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No single book can end Christianity. The faithful have been faithful too long and believe too strongly in their faith to believe anything else.
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Kibetious wrote: 03 May 2019, 09:57
juliusotieno02 wrote: 02 May 2019, 06:03 What do you think was the aim of this book especially considering all the research the author had to carry out to aid him in writing the book? Do you think his intentions were just to dispense knowladge and not an attack to christianity? If this book is read by many people across the world, do you think it might put an end to christianity?
I think I can liken this book to one I read that was trying to dispute the concept of the trinity as we know. What I came to realize there are very many books out there that are explaining things contrary to popular beliefs but at the end of the day, the Christian believer has to come back to the Bible.
The Trinity is not scriptural. Many commentators have pointed this out. Go to Hebrew Matthew, the ORIGINAL version of it. It can be found online, George Howard, or Throckmorton and Barnstone. At 28:19, the first draft variant is simply, "Go." Nothing about Go, and spread the teachings of the Farher, Son, and Holy Ghost. This is because the Son IS the Holy Spirit, and the orthodox authors wanted to separate them to give Jesus more stature. Masters come all the time as 'Son' of God incarnate. You sell yourself short denying a vision of a living savior. I have seen two. John 6:40 and 9:4-5 (sent US is the original Codex Sinaiticus variant) tell us that Masters must be SEEN or living concurrently. This is what all Masters have taught. Science of Soul dot org has many titles written by recently living saviors. The Old Testament is just fine, it is the New that cannot be. Look at Ecclesiastes 1:9 --- "nothing ***NEW*** under the sun." And Hosea 6:6 proves God does not desire 'sacrifice.' So he sacrifices his own son? I think not. The NT is a huge fraud.
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Stephanie Elizabeth wrote: 02 May 2019, 17:45 I don't see how one book could end Christianity. In my opinion, religion has far more to do with faith than it does with certain facts and figures. People will continue to read and hold the Bible in the highest regard.
Not anymore. The Gospel of Judas just surfaced a decade ago.
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