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ElizaBeth Adams wrote: ↑26 Sep 2019, 07:51 The torture process was gruesome indeed. I felt so bad for the Echoes that had to experience this. It made me rethink the Fate Sealers, as I felt compassion for what they had been through to become who they were.

And it's sad because I think they would be too far gone at this point to try and save their humanity

Kro92813 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:30 What do you think of the process of creating a fate sealer? Pretty gruesome, eh? What do you think happens to the fate sealers sound in our realm?

The series of events that leads to the making of a fate sealers might be shocking but I don't think I would like to think about it.

Thank you for the question.

I thought the creation of the Fate sealers was devastating. I couldn't imagine the pain the parents must have felt. I wonder if in our realm, it's the ones who kill and hurt others that are their sounds?

I couldn't believe if a perfectly innocent sound had a complete evil echo. Or maybe it's the ones that died at birth as a sound, but the echo was forced into a Fate Sealer?

MellaBella wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 13:27 I thought the creation of the Fate sealers was devastating. I couldn't imagine the pain the parents must have felt. I wonder if in our realm, it's the ones who kill and hurt others that are their sounds?

I couldn't believe if a perfectly innocent sound had a complete evil echo. Or maybe it's the ones that died at birth as a sound, but the echo was forced into a Fate Sealer?

I think when a sound is stillborn their echo becomes a fortune teller

I had such a hard time reading the description because it’s about the innocent being tortured and created into souless individuals that only know pain and torture. And soon that which was so awful for them becomes like a comfort zone to bring pain to others. This speaks volumes about the abused children in our society and how individuals can grow up almost without a consciousness because theirs has been seared. I was saddened by this part so much because it holds too much reality and truth.

The whole Sound and Echo thing unraveled pretty quickly in my mind. Especially when we found the mixed couple. People were connected when it was convenient for them to be connected. I just felt like the premise needed more sorting out before the story was told.

Washboard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 18:22

Washboard wrote: ↑18 Sep 2019, 18:21

Kro92813 wrote: ↑10 Sep 2019, 19:30 What do you think of the process of creating a fate sealer? Pretty gruesome, eh? What do you think happens to the fate sealers sound in our realm?

I thought that an Echo and their Sound's lives are not interconnected, except of course by the law that a Sound's death means the Echo must die. I think if an Echo were tortured to become a Fate Sealer that their Sound would go on to live the life they would have normally had.

Sort of how Will's Echo is a prince, bit he is just a normal kid in the Sound realm.

Exactly. I don't think there would be any overlap, if anything their Sounds might show who they could have been if not turned into a fate sealer.

I think their sound would go on to live a life it would have before the process.

I don't think anything happens to the Sound. It's been shown that the fate of an Echo doesn't do anything to their corresponding Sound except if someone, such as a Fate Sealer, intervenes.

evraealtana wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 11:46

Kro92813 wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 07:32 this just got deeper on a whole new level! And slightly more confusing haha it's as if Echos really dont have free will like sounds do

That was my interpretation, too - that Echoland is so reliant on "fate" and "fortune" because they don't really have choices in life, because their choices are made by someone else (their Sounds). They say things like "by Fortune's favor", when we (Sounds) have phrases like "if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself." We attribute events to our own actions, while Echoes attribute events to fate.

This just went from Fate Sealers to "fortune" and "fate"
Amazing insight though

evraealtana wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 11:46

Kro92813 wrote: ↑20 Sep 2019, 07:32 this just got deeper on a whole new level! And slightly more confusing haha it's as if Echos really dont have free will like sounds do

That was my interpretation, too - that Echoland is so reliant on "fate" and "fortune" because they don't really have choices in life, because their choices are made by someone else (their Sounds). They say things like "by Fortune's favor", when we (Sounds) have phrases like "if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself." We attribute events to our own actions, while Echoes attribute events to fate.

I cannot agree less. I didn't have this perspective before but you are so right.