I'd also add: to not feel superior. I think, that is the main problem of good people being racists... They might feel superior to others and then they think that their way is right and yours is bad so they judge you.Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:28I hope that the message shapes he kind of people they grow up into. To never judge others for their nature and to be accepting of others.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:27I hope that message will just stay in their heads until they grow up and ready to use it =)
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As well as the segregation of black and whites as shown through the echoes and sounds at the orphanageFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑29 Sep 2019, 22:52Yes, I think it was also highlighted with the presence of harmonies and how they were treated. It highlighted inter-racial discrimination.
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I hadn't thought of this parallel to HP but it's very much like mudbloodsskindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:15Funny, I was just thinking how it reminds me of that racism in Harry Potter! It really matters that a good story would have a message you could remember long after you've read the book.Benthic wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 01:13 Yes, I agree, it really reminds me a lot of Harry Potter with the pureblood and half-blood racism going on there too. I really feel that books like these which have such a good story, these meaningful messages in between brings out the depth of the book and the readers really enjoy it.
To 2nd that I hadn't even thought of the half bloods thing as racism when I read the series as a kid
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Discrimination and segregationFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:18Racial discrimination is a big theme in this book and many would learn how the author highlighted it in the case of Sounds and Echoes and harmonies.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:15Funny, I was just thinking how it reminds me of that racism in Harry Potter! It really matters that a good story would have a message you could remember long after you've read the book.Benthic wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 01:13 Yes, I agree, it really reminds me a lot of Harry Potter with the pureblood and half-blood racism going on there too. I really feel that books like these which have such a good story, these meaningful messages in between brings out the depth of the book and the readers really enjoy it.
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Agreed. we humans are highly critical and judgemental of anything different from our own way of thinking. It's just some areas get taken a little to the extreme (like with racism and segregation)skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:21I strongly suspect that if racism cease to exist other forms of something alike would appear... Many futuristic sci-fi books are about it. Maybe it's human nature... I see it even in my family, when you're judged because of a different lifestyle. If not your skin color, religion, then blood or the way of thinking.MatereF wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 02:59 The Prince exclaims: "I'll change Echoland. [...] Sound, Echo, Mongrel - all human beings will be equal!"
It's such a shame that in this day and age we still have to deal with racism.
I agree with you that racism is the most important lesson that can be taken from the book. We are all equal despite our differences in skin colour or otherwise.
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Which is ironic because you can't have an echo without a sound, yet they are pitted against each otherFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:25Yes, I agree with you on the tragic nature of human discrimination. Sounds and Echos in this book were used masterfully to highlight this issue plaguing human nature.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:21I strongly suspect that if racism cease to exist other forms of something alike would appear... Many futuristic sci-fi books are about it. Maybe it's human nature... I see it even in my family, when you're judged because of a different lifestyle. If not your skin color, religion, then blood or the way of thinking.MatereF wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 02:59 The Prince exclaims: "I'll change Echoland. [...] Sound, Echo, Mongrel - all human beings will be equal!"
It's such a shame that in this day and age we still have to deal with racism.
I agree with you that racism is the most important lesson that can be taken from the book. We are all equal despite our differences in skin colour or otherwise.
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One would hope! And one would hope they could use it before they "grow up" as wellskindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:27I hope that message will just stay in their heads until they grow up and ready to use it =)
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As beautiful as that is, I don't think a 13 yr old would gather the message like us adults do. But it would be a good talking point for a parent to have with their kid if they read the book alongside each otherFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:28I hope that the message shapes he kind of people they grow up into. To never judge others for their nature and to be accepting of others.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:27I hope that message will just stay in their heads until they grow up and ready to use it =)
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skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:32Exactly! Like some beliefs are so engrained into their heads or it's so normal or "just the way it is" that they aren't questioned.
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skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:37I absolutely agree! It's super relevant today and in this book as well
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Feeling superior doesn't necessarily equate to racism though, but I get what you are saying!skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:59I'd also add: to not feel superior. I think, that is the main problem of good people being racists... They might feel superior to others and then they think that their way is right and yours is bad so they judge you.Ferdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:28I hope that the message shapes he kind of people they grow up into. To never judge others for their nature and to be accepting of others.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:27
I hope that message will just stay in their heads until they grow up and ready to use it =)
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I wander what is the biological significance of making other people like yourself? It must be related to survival of the species somehow...Kro92813 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:16Agreed. we humans are highly critical and judgemental of anything different from our own way of thinking. It's just some areas get taken a little to the extreme (like with racism and segregation)skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:21I strongly suspect that if racism cease to exist other forms of something alike would appear... Many futuristic sci-fi books are about it. Maybe it's human nature... I see it even in my family, when you're judged because of a different lifestyle. If not your skin color, religion, then blood or the way of thinking.MatereF wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 02:59 The Prince exclaims: "I'll change Echoland. [...] Sound, Echo, Mongrel - all human beings will be equal!"
It's such a shame that in this day and age we still have to deal with racism.
I agree with you that racism is the most important lesson that can be taken from the book. We are all equal despite our differences in skin colour or otherwise.
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Making people like ourselves and wanting to be. enter than anotherskindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:48I wander what is the biological significance of making other people like yourself? It must be related to survival of the species somehow...Kro92813 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:16Agreed. we humans are highly critical and judgemental of anything different from our own way of thinking. It's just some areas get taken a little to the extreme (like with racism and segregation)skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:21
I strongly suspect that if racism cease to exist other forms of something alike would appear... Many futuristic sci-fi books are about it. Maybe it's human nature... I see it even in my family, when you're judged because of a different lifestyle. If not your skin color, religion, then blood or the way of thinking.
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I think it still has the right affect... At least it did to me, when I was a kid. I might not have thought of the topic of discrimination when I was reading books with this message but all adds up eventually when you are in the situation later, where you need to choose. It's like a supermarket poster about a discount for whatever brand, which we see every day on our way to work. We might not think about it, we might not even notice the poster that much but our brain registers it and when we go shopping, we by the product of that brand instead of another.Kro92813 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:23As beautiful as that is, I don't think a 13 yr old would gather the message like us adults do. But it would be a good talking point for a parent to have with their kid if they read the book alongside each otherFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:28I hope that the message shapes he kind of people they grow up into. To never judge others for their nature and to be accepting of others.skindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:27
I hope that message will just stay in their heads until they grow up and ready to use it =)
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So like subliminal messagingskindrukas wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:54I think it still has the right affect... At least it did to me, when I was a kid. I might not have thought of the topic of discrimination when I was reading books with this message but all adds up eventually when you are in the situation later, where you need to choose. It's like a supermarket poster about a discount for whatever brand, which we see every day on our way to work. We might not think about it, we might not even notice the poster that much but our brain registers it and when we go shopping, we by the product of that brand instead of another.Kro92813 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 01:23As beautiful as that is, I don't think a 13 yr old would gather the message like us adults do. But it would be a good talking point for a parent to have with their kid if they read the book alongside each otherFerdinand_otieno wrote: ↑30 Sep 2019, 00:28
I hope that the message shapes he kind of people they grow up into. To never judge others for their nature and to be accepting of others.