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Kro92813 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 09:58
little_nell15 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 09:57 I want to ask if the author would consider writing a prequel from emmy's POV. Emmy is such a great character and deserves a book on her kidnapping and escape
I agree! I like the idea of a prequel, because Emmy really does have an interesting story to tell - especially before Will arrives. 10 years is a long time!
She mst have gathered quite the information trove on Echopand, the pets, the inhabitants, and the politics.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 10:10
Kro92813 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 09:32
Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 23:50
I had assumed that Echoland is a ...Echo of the Sound realm and every Echo is born there just as every Sound in the Sound realm, except those who are in Echoland.
I thought this too but it doesnt seem to be the case
Wait so if most Echoes ar not from Echoland, then is it a way station.
Ithink they are born in the sound realm and whisked away to echoland -their home
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I'd like to know what promoted the idea of "Echoland"? And why the description of violence because that restricts young readers?
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Clorinda Donovan wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 15:35 I'd like to know what promoted the idea of "Echoland"? And why the description of violence because that restricts young readers?
There were some sort of violent scenes, but I didnt think they were overly gruesome
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Kro92813 wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 22:24
Washboard wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 21:06
Kro92813 wrote: 24 Sep 2019, 20:53

I dont think it would be possible for an Echo to be born before a Sound. Because when a sound is born it's Echo is washed down the rivers and streams into Echoland. So maybe two echos could try to have a child, but wouldn't conceive unless their sounds did first?
But aren't Echos born along with the Sound and washed into Echoland? I think that would mean that no Echos are born within Echoland.
Yes I think you are right! This was one of the points I was confused on with the authors writing. The only mention of how echoes come to be is when dea says "“Life begins twice. You see the Sounds, but you don’t see their see-through reflections. They float away at birth: flowers, trees, animals…people. Rain washes them into rivers, and the rivers wash them into Echoland.”

So idk how they are retrieved in echoland or what happens once they are washed away, but it sounds like no echo is "born" in echoland
But Harmonies are born in Echoland, so Echos can reproduce. Just not with another Echo...?
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Chrystal Oaks wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 23:50
Lunastella wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 19:07
Kro92813 wrote: 24 Sep 2019, 20:52

what is Plato's Allegory of the cave?
It's an allegory presented by Plato in his book "Republic" to explain ignorance and the nature of sensorial perception.

"In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see.
The philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners.
The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life. The prisoners manage to break their bonds one day and discover that their reality was not what they thought it was. They discovered the sun, which Plato uses as an analogy for the fire that man cannot see behind. Like the fire that cast light on the walls of the cave, the human condition is forever bound to the impressions that are received through the senses. Even if these interpretations are an absurd misrepresentation of reality, we cannot somehow break free from the bonds of our human condition—we cannot free ourselves from the phenomenal state just as the prisoners could not free themselves from their chains. If however, we were to miraculously escape our bondage, we would find a world that we could not understand—the sun is incomprehensible for someone who has never seen it. In other words, we would encounter another "realm", a place incomprehensible because, theoretically, it is the source of a higher reality than the one we have always known; it is the realm of pure Form, pure fact."

https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
This information is new to me. Thanks for sharing it. More to think and ponder on. :techie-studyingbrown:
My pleasure. It would be very interesting to know the author's point of view!
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 23:41
Kro92813 wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 19:36
Lunastella wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 19:07

It's an allegory presented by Plato in his book "Republic" to explain ignorance and the nature of sensorial perception.

"In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see.
The philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners.
The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life. The prisoners manage to break their bonds one day and discover that their reality was not what they thought it was. They discovered the sun, which Plato uses as an analogy for the fire that man cannot see behind. Like the fire that cast light on the walls of the cave, the human condition is forever bound to the impressions that are received through the senses. Even if these interpretations are an absurd misrepresentation of reality, we cannot somehow break free from the bonds of our human condition—we cannot free ourselves from the phenomenal state just as the prisoners could not free themselves from their chains. If however, we were to miraculously escape our bondage, we would find a world that we could not understand—the sun is incomprehensible for someone who has never seen it. In other words, we would encounter another "realm", a place incomprehensible because, theoretically, it is the source of a higher reality than the one we have always known; it is the realm of pure Form, pure fact."

https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Interesting! I think I may have read that in a college course at one point! It brings up the fact that our world is perceived by what we think we see and know, but it isnt necessarily truth.

So are you saying that the Sound realm is like that of the prisoners in the cave and Echoland is the actual reality?

I think they are just both separate realms with their own truths, but maybe the author got the idea from this philosophy?

I'd be curious to see your thoughts once you have finished the book!
I too would e curious to see your conclusion once you've had a chance to finish this book.
I believe the same as you so far, that there are two separate realms. But I do wonder if Plato's idea somehow inspired the author.
I'll let you know when I finish the book :techie-studyingbrown:
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Washboard wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 18:48
Kro92813 wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 22:24
Washboard wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 21:06

But aren't Echos born along with the Sound and washed into Echoland? I think that would mean that no Echos are born within Echoland.
Yes I think you are right! This was one of the points I was confused on with the authors writing. The only mention of how echoes come to be is when dea says "“Life begins twice. You see the Sounds, but you don’t see their see-through reflections. They float away at birth: flowers, trees, animals…people. Rain washes them into rivers, and the rivers wash them into Echoland.”

So idk how they are retrieved in echoland or what happens once they are washed away, but it sounds like no echo is "born" in echoland
But Harmonies are born in Echoland, so Echos can reproduce. Just not with another Echo...?
I guess? Harmonies are the anomaly. They defy the "natural order" of things which is why they are treated so poorly in echoland
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Kro92813 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 20:42
Washboard wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 18:48
Kro92813 wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 22:24

Yes I think you are right! This was one of the points I was confused on with the authors writing. The only mention of how echoes come to be is when dea says "“Life begins twice. You see the Sounds, but you don’t see their see-through reflections. They float away at birth: flowers, trees, animals…people. Rain washes them into rivers, and the rivers wash them into Echoland.”

So idk how they are retrieved in echoland or what happens once they are washed away, but it sounds like no echo is "born" in echoland
But Harmonies are born in Echoland, so Echos can reproduce. Just not with another Echo...?
I guess? Harmonies are the anomaly. They defy the "natural order" of things which is why they are treated so poorly in echoland
I think that is the argument used against them, but I don't see it that way. It was the same argument used for racial marriages and children of mixed races..."natural order."
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Chrystillery rhymes with Distillery: when you distill something you obtain ist essence, so when you "chrystill" something do you obtain its crystallized form? and if the answer is yes, how does it work or relate to the plot of the book?
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Lunastella wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 18:54
Chrystal Oaks wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 23:50
Lunastella wrote: 25 Sep 2019, 19:07

It's an allegory presented by Plato in his book "Republic" to explain ignorance and the nature of sensorial perception.

"In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see.
The philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners.
The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life. The prisoners manage to break their bonds one day and discover that their reality was not what they thought it was. They discovered the sun, which Plato uses as an analogy for the fire that man cannot see behind. Like the fire that cast light on the walls of the cave, the human condition is forever bound to the impressions that are received through the senses. Even if these interpretations are an absurd misrepresentation of reality, we cannot somehow break free from the bonds of our human condition—we cannot free ourselves from the phenomenal state just as the prisoners could not free themselves from their chains. If however, we were to miraculously escape our bondage, we would find a world that we could not understand—the sun is incomprehensible for someone who has never seen it. In other words, we would encounter another "realm", a place incomprehensible because, theoretically, it is the source of a higher reality than the one we have always known; it is the realm of pure Form, pure fact."

https://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
This information is new to me. Thanks for sharing it. More to think and ponder on. :techie-studyingbrown:
My pleasure. It would be very interesting to know the author's point of view!
I agree. :-)
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I would have never thought of Plato and his theory of forms in connection with this book. Thank you for reminding me of this beautiful allegory.
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Ferdinand_otieno wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 23:06
Kro92813 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 20:42
Washboard wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 18:48

But Harmonies are born in Echoland, so Echos can reproduce. Just not with another Echo...?
I guess? Harmonies are the anomaly. They defy the "natural order" of things which is why they are treated so poorly in echoland
I think that is the argument used against them, but I don't see it that way. It was the same argument used for racial marriages and children of mixed races..."natural order."
That's why I put natural order in quotations because it is how the people of echoland perceived mixed children. No my personal opinion
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aacodreanu wrote: 27 Sep 2019, 08:46 Chrystillery rhymes with Distillery: when you distill something you obtain ist essence, so when you "chrystill" something do you obtain its crystallized form? and if the answer is yes, how does it work or relate to the plot of the book?
A crystal distillery? Lol

They are crystals and maybe you obtain the essence of memories within the crystal?
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Kro92813 wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 18:11
Clorinda Donovan wrote: 26 Sep 2019, 15:35 I'd like to know what promoted the idea of "Echoland"? And why the description of violence because that restricts young readers?
There were some sort of violent scenes, but I didnt think they were overly gruesome
Yes but some parents would be averse to that sort of thing being read by their children. If this story was exempt of such scenes then it would have more readers and exposure!? It really is just my opinion. Some people think it's fine either way.
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