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Twylla wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 18:04 Adam and Carly had a very dysfunctional relationship. But I have to give them credit, they abstained from sex. That took some commitment.

I didn't understand why she thought it was up to her to burn down the Den. That wasn't her business.

danicommissions wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:50 I feel like, with the discussions that have taken place around past books like Twilight, YA authors maybe should have learned that it's possible for YA to normalise some really toxic stuff when it comes to relationships - like that 'love' is taking down all your boundaries around a person and letting them be overly protective of you and invasive of your privacy. I don't think Adam's exactly being portrayed in the book as a spotless hero, but a lot of the dangerous behaviours he displays aren't really addressed.

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:55

Nym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:21

Howlan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:04

Or just slap him!

But then they might break up!

Yeah but still, Adam does push her away when she learns about his roots and hides from him and Adam comes to know of that!

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:57

Nym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:24

Howlan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:02

Yeah a major flop as well.

I could never even get into it... I prefer Lestate and Louis to Robert and werewolf guy

And I have only seen the first movie.

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:59

gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:52

Howlan wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:02

I would feel sorry for the actors if it does become one.

Fingers crossed that never, ever happens...

Also considering that sex cave.... Idk what will they show about that, a normal cave?

Twylla wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 18:04 Adam and Carly had a very dysfunctional relationship. But I have to give them credit, they abstained from sex. That took some commitment.

I didn't understand why she thought it was up to her to burn down the Den. That wasn't her business.

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 22:49

Twylla wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 18:04 Adam and Carly had a very dysfunctional relationship. But I have to give them credit, they abstained from sex. That took some commitment.

I didn't understand why she thought it was up to her to burn down the Den. That wasn't her business.

Yes I agree with you on that one
Still their relationship had too much going on.

readerrihana wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:50 I agree it did go beyond what we expect for young people's books and some of the scenes were quite descriptive concerning passions and body parts etc

These things would not make it suitable for this age range.

Somehow Carly seemed innocent and their love innocent, yet there are many things that break that innocent bubble

Nym182 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:54

danicommissions wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:50 I feel like, with the discussions that have taken place around past books like Twilight, YA authors maybe should have learned that it's possible for YA to normalise some really toxic stuff when it comes to relationships - like that 'love' is taking down all your boundaries around a person and letting them be overly protective of you and invasive of your privacy. I don't think Adam's exactly being portrayed in the book as a spotless hero, but a lot of the dangerous behaviours he displays aren't really addressed.

Exactly! He does all these abusive things to Carly, but you are right, it is never addressed and that kinda comes across and the author condoning what he is doing. I guess compared to kidnapping a girl, him listening into Carly's convo's isn't something to be worried about.

Nym182 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:55

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:55

Nym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:21

But then they might break up!

Yeah but still, Adam does push her away when she learns about his roots and hides from him and Adam comes to know of that!

But then they just send overly understanding texts to each and kiss and make up.

Nym182 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:56

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:57

Nym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:24

I could never even get into it... I prefer Lestate and Louis to Robert and werewolf guy

And I have only seen the first movie.

Eh, never was my cup of tea!

readerrihana wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:50 I agree it did go beyond what we expect for young people's books and some of the scenes were quite descriptive concerning passions and body parts etc

These things would not make it suitable for this age range.

Somehow Carly seemed innocent and their love innocent, yet there are many things that break that innocent bubble

Nym182 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:57

Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 16:59

gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:52

Fingers crossed that never, ever happens...

Also considering that sex cave.... Idk what will they show about that, a normal cave?

or a tree house ha

Nym182 wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 12:11

readerrihana wrote: ↑27 Feb 2020, 11:50 I agree it did go beyond what we expect for young people's books and some of the scenes were quite descriptive concerning passions and body parts etc

These things would not make it suitable for this age range.

Somehow Carly seemed innocent and their love innocent, yet there are many things that break that innocent bubble

That is a great summary! And yes, there are a lot of things that suggest their innocence (such as abstaining from sex) but there are a lot more instances than condemn their relationship and highlight how toxic it actually is.