Human vs. ... Other
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Re: Human vs. ... Other
In conclusion therefore, Tau is human and humanity is about being able to read into the emotions of others and treat them like they're deserving.
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Interesting. That concept puts the definition of 'what is human' on a 'higher' level if you will. We've touched slightly on empathy and emotion as being part of being human, but not to this extent. You said, "it's not all about blood or DNA," and I agree. There is definitely a mental/emotional component to being identified as human. Questioning Dennison's 'humanity,' though, is a different type of 'human' than what we've talked about yet. Thanks so much for posting!Marion Jepkosgei wrote: ↑11 Jun 2020, 10:05 I think we need to redefine humanity. It's not all about blood or DNA. It is more like empathy. A clone therefore is human since they are birthed from human cells. Tau in this case is human. Just because he was made in the lab and "how to" and "what to" were dictated to him doesn't make him less human. The humanity of Dennison however is questionable.
In conclusion therefore, Tau is human and humanity is about being able to read into the emotions of others and treat them like they're deserving.
Thoughts anyone?
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Interesting. What is it in the book that made you think that clones (as a group) or Tau, in particular, would 'go to the extreme without reasoning?' I grant that both Tau and Kata had the potential to cause harm, but so too do 'naturally born' humans when provoked or backed into a corner. What makes the clones different, in your opinion?
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anoushka_thakur wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 00:56 I believe it is human who gave birth to these clones and they somehow are their children. Throughout the history of artificial intelligence, we have seen that negligence towards the clone has always led to a disaster. They are so capable of evolving more than humans and hence they are able to see things and interpret them in a different manner. It would be wrong for them if they are not treated the same way as humans. But that is some difference they would never realize.
Onyinye Excel wrote: ↑11 Jun 2020, 15:25 Clones are humans just that they were not reproduced by the coming together of a man and woman but who cares which way they came? What matters is that they exhibit the characteristics of a human being just like every other human being. I think they are entitled to their rights and privileges as humans.
Anouska, I believe that you are correct in saying that a clone's ability to reason and interpret things in life is a characteristic that some either couldn't or wouldn't see. I'm familiar with some of the media that feature negligence or poor treatment of clones not ending well.Laurakish wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 02:43 Yes they do deserve to be treated like human. Reminds me of Dolly the sheep, and have there been successful human cloning??? I'm a little grey on the subject . I believe the fact that they share the same genetic material with their subject, they are potentially more human than some actual beings, so yes, they are entitled to human rights.
Onyinye, I agree wholeheartedly that just because clones did not come to be in a 'traditional' human manner, they are no less human than their 'naturally born' counterparts. They are, indeed, deserving of all the rights a human is entitled to. Saying they are potentially more human than some actual human beings gets into a psychological/moral area. Still, it could be that they have the potential to develop further than 'normal' humans.
Laurakish, precisely. Dolly was no less a sheep just because she had not been born 'traditionally' was she? Why would it be different with human clones? I do not believe there has been human cloning as yet. That crosses an ethical barrier concerning human experimentation. I agree that as clones share the human genome, they are therefore human and deserving of the rights afforded to humans.
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They are lab creations, yes, and it is true that Tau's ability to deal with human emotion was somewhat stunted. I believe that was because he was raised in the lab, though, with no healthy social interaction. A 'normal' human child would act much the same if he/she were raised similarly. If not allowed to learn about and express emotion, how are they supposed to develop it? It is, indeed, a fascinating conundrum. Thanks for stopping in and sharing your thoughts with us!
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Kelyn, your point justifies my thought. Humans are the most evolved organism in the world. But when we give rise to clones, the clone becomes more superior to us. That feeling is often unwanted and hence that results in the poor treatment of these clones, as they have the ability to evolve transcendentaly.Kelyn wrote: ↑14 Jun 2020, 17:50anoushka_thakur wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 00:56 I believe it is human who gave birth to these clones and they somehow are their children. Throughout the history of artificial intelligence, we have seen that negligence towards the clone has always led to a disaster. They are so capable of evolving more than humans and hence they are able to see things and interpret them in a different manner. It would be wrong for them if they are not treated the same way as humans. But that is some difference they would never realize.Onyinye Excel wrote: ↑11 Jun 2020, 15:25 Clones are humans just that they were not reproduced by the coming together of a man and woman but who cares which way they came? What matters is that they exhibit the characteristics of a human being just like every other human being. I think they are entitled to their rights and privileges as humans.Anouska, I believe that you are correct in saying that a clone's ability to reason and interpret things in life is a characteristic that some either couldn't or wouldn't see. I'm familiar with some of the media that feature negligence or poor treatment of clones not ending well.Laurakish wrote: ↑13 Jun 2020, 02:43 Yes they do deserve to be treated like human. Reminds me of Dolly the sheep, and have there been successful human cloning??? I'm a little grey on the subject . I believe the fact that they share the same genetic material with their subject, they are potentially more human than some actual beings, so yes, they are entitled to human rights.
Onyinye, I agree wholeheartedly that just because clones did not come to be in a 'traditional' human manner, they are no less human than their 'naturally born' counterparts. They are, indeed, deserving of all the rights a human is entitled to. Saying they are potentially more human than some actual human beings gets into a psychological/moral area. Still, it could be that they have the potential to develop further than 'normal' humans.
Laurakish, precisely. Dolly was no less a sheep just because she had not been born 'traditionally' was she? Why would it be different with human clones? I do not believe there has been human cloning as yet. That crosses an ethical barrier concerning human experimentation. I agree that as clones share the human genome, they are therefore human and deserving of the rights afforded to humans.
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