I Beg to Differ.

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You are correct in your analysis. But the author is not wrong either. There's need for balance in these biblical truths. Therefore, the both believes are true, they will only apply at different circumstances or situation in life.

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As humans born into sin, we are far from perfect. Our redemption came through Christ Jesus. His grace is what makes us fit to be saved and called perfect. Therefore, I agree that God cannot see us ordinarily as perfect if Christ did not die for us.

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God sees as individuals, and because of Jesus we have been reconciled with him. He knows we are dust, his grace covers all that. That's why it's grace, we don't deserve it but he gives it to us.
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As others have said, I think you and the author are both correct. Different approaches are needed for different circumstances. I think the idea that God only sees Jesus in us is designed to unite us all.

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I agree that religion is a very individual subject and it is not fair for us to generalize/impose our beliefs on others. I have noticed that a lot of these books on here seem to have religious elements--is this a required theme or does it just happen to be a common interest?

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An interesting point is made here! I believe that God sees all our sins, flaws and weaknesses, as well as our strengths and positives. I believe he sees us as individuals. Thank you for pointing this out!

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It's just only the sacrifice of Christ that brought about this Grace. God is too holy to behold our characters and ways of life so the only thing He do looking at Jesus on us.

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Nerea wrote:
01 May 2020, 01:18
I like how the author defines Grace (undeserved kindness) and reveals how it affects us. But I beg to differ a little bit with the author’s sentiments in location 343, paragraph 2 where the author talks about how God views us as individuals. He says;

“To be in Christ means that when God looks at you, He doesn’t see all your sins, failures, and rough spots. When you are in Christ, God just sees Jesus. You may see the scars, the mess, and the problems, but God sees perfection in Jesus.”

I don’t know if I’m the one who got it wrong. Feel free to correct me. My issue comes in where the author says, God does not see our effects of imperfection, but He sees perfection in Jesus. I believe God is aware of all our sinful inclinations, and He wants us to change and become useful vessels in His service. To achieve that, He has used His word and His Holy Spirit to help us correct our weaknesses so that we can attain perfection/holiness. He provides comfort whenever we feel low, through the Bible, and give us the strength that will help us endure all our “rough spots.” For God to draw us closer to Christ, He chooses to look at the good in us despite our bad tendencies, failures, and trials. (Ref; Genesis 6:5, Psalms 51:5, Isaiah 48:17,18, 1 peter 1:14-16, 2 Corinthians 1:3,4, John 6:44, Psalms 103:12-14).

Does God only “see perfection in Jesus,” or is He also interested in us as individuals?
I believe that man is a sinful being by nature. God and man meet at the cross, because Christ was given out by God for the sake of man. The Bible clearly states that those who are in Christ, are a new creation, so in essence God knows our individual identity, but sees Christ when He looks at us. I believe, that the moment we repent of our sins and proclaim Christ as our Lord and Savior, Christ becomes our identity.

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I think we as humans have no ability to know how God views us. God is a powerful supernatural being and we cant assume that when He sees us he sees Jesus in us. Jesus died for humans so that His blood can wash away our sins in God's eyes. But in my humble opinion , I don't think when God Sees us He sees Jesus. The issue at hand is debatable defending your understanding of this book and the Bible at large.

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It's very true, when God looks at us he sees Jesus. If so, then who is Jesus in the context of humanity? He is our advocate to the father. Whenever we sin and God looks at us, he sees Jesus and automatically he forgives us and gives us another chance. However, man should not take advantage of his grace. Instead, we should utilize the grace given to us.

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Post by Haywhyre7 »

I do think God sees Jesus in all of us and I completely agree with the concept of the book

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For God to see as like Jesus, we must be cleansed by the blood of Jesus. That is to say we must have sincerely repented and accepted Jesus. In this way we are worthy to receive God's grace. To that extent, I tend to believe that not everyone is seen by God the same way. Some are closer to God while others are far away from His grace.

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