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I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.
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"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus". (Romans 3:23-24 | NIV)
This verse makes it clear to us that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross ensures that God no longer see us as we are. Rather he sees the perfect Jesus whenever he looks as us. That is of course if you have been saved and redeemed by the Jesus.
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I think God sees us as mere individuals because we still wear the mortal body. Thus making us imperfect and Unworthy.
It is his Grace that enables us stand in his presence.
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Folushour wrote: 13 May 2020, 09:29 I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.
I know that feeling too. I have a brother with schizophrenia and all I can conclude is that God expects compassion and comfort from me to him.
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I agree with you. I am not presuming to know what the Lord thinks, but if I were to take a guess I would say that God sees the potential of Jesus in each and every one of us. As humans, we have been given the gift of choice and free will so we may do with it what we will. If God saw us definitively as Jesus, there would be no need for his guiding hand and loving grace? Please correct me if I am wrong?
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We cannot continue to live in sin and expect the Lord to see Jesus in us. You must abandon your sinful lifestyle and completely surrender your life to Him, and as well live for His glory then your New life of holiness will reveal Jesus in you.
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I think in the context of the book, this may mean that God sees through the perceived imperfections and flaws. Not necessarily that when God looks at us he does not see our individuality, but rather that he sees at the core of us, there is "perfection in Jesus"
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djr6090 wrote: 05 May 2020, 09:55 I think it is presumptuous to claim knowledge of what God sees. We can only hope he accepts us with all our faults and shortcomings.
I couldn't agree more. To have a belief in God is one thing, and a very good thing I think. But so many narrow sects lay down specific rules about what God is or does or wants us to do; this doesn't help people come together as believers.
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Arite Seki wrote: 16 May 2020, 08:24 I think in the context of the book, this may mean that God sees through the perceived imperfections and flaws. Not necessarily that when God looks at us he does not see our individuality, but rather that he sees at the core of us, there is "perfection in Jesus"
You explained this so much better than me. But I think the same.
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Folushour wrote: 13 May 2020, 09:29 I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.
I hope this book help you too.
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We are sanctified by grace and justified by our own faith through our actions there here it implies that we must first be aware that Jesus alone takes away the sins only when we believe in him!
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AntonelaMaria wrote: 18 May 2020, 07:47
Folushour wrote: 13 May 2020, 09:29 I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.
I hope this book help you too.
Thank you. I'll check it out.
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djr6090 wrote: 15 May 2020, 08:21
Folushour wrote: 13 May 2020, 09:29 I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.
That's a wonderful conclusion. I will try to adopt it too.

I know that feeling too. I have a brother with schizophrenia and all I can conclude is that God expects compassion and comfort from me to him.
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monicamu wrote: 07 May 2020, 23:59 Is this really an appropriate forum for a discussion on religion? I think not.
The book focuses on religion. Its only natural for religious discussions to follow. I read your review and I liked it a lot. It is eye opening didn't quite see the book from your angle
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Folushour wrote: 13 May 2020, 09:29 I also don't think that sounds right. It sounds like an excuse to be honest. And I have been wondering about grace recently: should I be still be grateful that I received grace when or because my brother is not equally blessed? I hope this book sheds some light that.

We should always be grateful for grace and if your brother is not blessed you should share your grace with him.
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