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slj3988 wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 08:35 Mankind was in a misogynistic state back then. The woman was seen as a childbearer and not much else. Biblical stories and often paintings placed the woman in the background, as if they had no importance. When less was understood about nature, men used to stone women on their period out of fear they were possessed. How many women were burned as witches for suffering mental illness?

To be true to the times, misogyny should be there so we don't forget our failures and can strive to do better.

I agree.
This is not to say that God accepts misogyny, but the original biblical story does come across as misogynistic to me.
So, a book based on that, however fictional, is bound to show some of that sentiment.

Helen91 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2020, 09:30 Well, I think the author tried not to deviate from the original story. But about whether Eve's punishment is just, is left to God alone.

Yes. Since Killing Abel is based on the Christian Bible, it also borrows the negative aspects of it. I felt that the content of the book was misogynistic for this very reason.

Awesomeliker wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 13:40 Eve's punishment was quite brutal in my opinion. I'm not saying Adam's wasn't but Eve had to give up her free will. What's your opinion?

I think both their punishments were equally harsh actually.

I agree that the punishment was too much. Subjecting one's free will to the approval of another person is not an easy thing. Coupled with the pain-bearing.

With the view of God protecting rather than punishing, I'd say Eve was given bonus protection. Rather than take sides, this book has taught me to look at both sides. Adam was the one who was instructed about the forbidden fruit, then he passed the instructions to Eve. They were free of their curse when Eve took the fruit. She was vulnerable and naïve. How does God protect them? Banish them, make woman submit to man who is also to protect her.
To the issue of authors taking sides, have we ever thought that they were just expressing feelings of the character? They may just even be provoking your thoughts. Like someone wise once said, "We are all right, but we are also wrong."

I felt her punishment was severe because she was Lucifer's first target as well as his accomplice, and she didn't realize the importance of her womb, and I saw it as a means of God protecting her through the man, because if that wasn't the case, she could still be bewildered by Lucifer.

Yes, yes, yes! A lot of Misogyny!

First off, Adam is presented as more intelligent than Eve

Gods punishment was out of love. I don't think any punishment was bigger that the other.

I don't think any of the punishment's was worst that the other. According to the author, what was considered as a punishment was actually a blessing in disguise.

I don't agree. God knows what is best for us and for everything he does there is a reason. There is no need for weighing punishments.

I don't think Eve was asked to give up her free will per say. She had the choice to either marry Adam or not. It was not by force. They both sinned and they were both punished in varying ways. The punishment felt equal to me especially because to a large extent she didn't deal with the guilt of the sin to the extent that Adam did. That is a punishment on its own.

MorganKnightOfficial wrote: ↑03 Jun 2020, 02:54 Even in the original Biblical tale, I have always thought that Eve's punishment was way harsher than Adam's. I never quite understood why, because both of them sinned equally. Though, I also think that perhaps God was protecting and punishing her at once by doing this - she became secondary to man, but at least she was safe in his protection.

Well said. I've always thought Eve's punishment is tougher.

Not really. I don't think Eve gave up her freewill to Adam. Adam had a good share of the curses as well.

Not really. I don't think Eve gave up her freewill to Adam. Adam had a good share of the curses as well.