Was sending Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden a blessing or a curse?

Julyet_Chris · Post by **Julyet_Chris** » 08 Jun 2020, 04:50

Alexandros92 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 06:56 Sending them out of the Garden is neither. It is just the natural outcome of their choice. Since the fruit basically symbolizes the lack of trust toward nature and God and thus the awaking of the Ego and the need for knowledge, it is only natural that human beings found themselves to be isolated. It is not a curse and not a blessing.

If humans trusted God and let go of their Ego, the gates of Eden would reopen in the afterlife. It is a choice, nobody is punishing us.

you’re right.

Kanda_theGreat · Post by **Kanda_theGreat** » 08 Jun 2020, 16:12

As I read this book, I realized that the tree of knowldge and the tree of life were used metaphorically. Adam ckearly stated that eating from the tree of life after their sin would grant them a scapegoat, which would protect them from God's punishment and thence re-union with God. I, therefore, concur with Tieman that sending the first oarents away from the Garden of Eden was a blessing in disguise.

Alice Ngugi · Post by **Alice Ngugi** » 09 Jun 2020, 13:43

JM Reviews wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 00:58
Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 05:03 I believe it was both a blessing and a curse. In the garden they could not enjoy the varying levels of emotions such as sadness and pain, at that they would not be able to fully appreciate the good times. The curse comes with separation from God and even facing death ultimately.
I partly agree with you. But, what's there to enjoy with emotions. I don't think emotions are "a blessing" as you put it.

Personally I enjoy variations in my emotions. And when am sad for example am able to look back at times I was happy with more appreciation. When am happy on the other hand, I appreciate the happiness more. The joy and comfort of God in my heart when am going through trouble is more wonderful to me than when everything is simply smooth. That's how I feel.

Alice Ngugi · Post by **Alice Ngugi** » 09 Jun 2020, 13:50

Alexandros92 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 06:56 Sending them out of the Garden is neither. It is just the natural outcome of their choice. Since the fruit basically symbolizes the lack of trust toward nature and God and thus the awaking of the Ego and the need for knowledge, it is only natural that human beings found themselves to be isolated. It is not a curse and not a blessing.

If humans trusted God and let go of their Ego, the gates of Eden would reopen in the afterlife. It is a choice, nobody is punishing us.

I love your perspective.

Joseph_ngaruiya · Post by **Joseph_ngaruiya** » 09 Jun 2020, 13:51

JM Reviews wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 04:38 Just after Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of knowledge, God drove them away from the Garden. The author of this book seems to justify every curse that God put on Adam. At some point, Adam seems grateful for the curses. What really captured my attention was the justification of the fact that God sent them away from Eden. Do you think the main purpose was to protect them from Lucifer? Do you believe that eating from the tree of life would have worsened the situation?

I don't think the main purpose was to protect them from Lucifer: they had failed to respect God's instruction. Sending them away was a repercussion of their behavior.

Joseph_ngaruiya · Post by **Joseph_ngaruiya** » 09 Jun 2020, 13:55

Kanda_theGreat wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 16:12 As I read this book, I realized that the tree of knowldge and the tree of life were used metaphorically. Adam ckearly stated that eating from the tree of life after their sin would grant them a scapegoat, which would protect them from God's punishment and thence re-union with God. I, therefore, concur with Tieman that sending the first oarents away from the Garden of Eden was a blessing in disguise.

I don't think the main purpose was to protect them from Lucifer: they had failed to respect God's instruction. Sending them away was a repercussion of their behavior.

Joseph_ngaruiya · Post by **Joseph_ngaruiya** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:00

Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 13:43
JM Reviews wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 00:58
Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 05:03 I believe it was both a blessing and a curse. In the garden they could not enjoy the varying levels of emotions such as sadness and pain, at that they would not be able to fully appreciate the good times. The curse comes with separation from God and even facing death ultimately.
I partly agree with you. But, what's there to enjoy with emotions. I don't think emotions are "a blessing" as you put it.
Personally I enjoy variations in my emotions. And when am sad for example am able to look back at times I was happy with more appreciation. When am happy on the other hand, I appreciate the happiness more. The joy and comfort of God in my heart when am going through trouble is more wonderful to me than when everything is simply smooth. That's how I feel.

Emotions are a blessing. You wouldn't enjoy the love of your loved ones without them. To iterate on my statement: I will leave you with the wise words of Hellen Keller, “The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart.”

Alexandros92 · Post by **Alexandros92** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:05

Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 13:50
Alexandros92 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 06:56 Sending them out of the Garden is neither. It is just the natural outcome of their choice. Since the fruit basically symbolizes the lack of trust toward nature and God and thus the awaking of the Ego and the need for knowledge, it is only natural that human beings found themselves to be isolated. It is not a curse and not a blessing.

If humans trusted God and let go of their Ego, the gates of Eden would reopen in the afterlife. It is a choice, nobody is punishing us.
I love your perspective.

Thank you so much!! I try to read books on Christian mysticism and psychology that talk a lot about this. I would highly suggest J. Peterson's "Garden of Edem" lecture, on youtube. It gives a really unique perspective and changed a lot the way I think about the Bible. Let me know if you liked it (if you choose to watch it)

Miller56 · Post by **Miller56** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:10

I think God sent them from the garden as a loving punishment. I think God wanted them to realize that they need to have faith and when they try to do things through their own devices they fail. I think if they were allowed to stay in the Garden of Eden, they would not have learned from their actions.

Alice Ngugi · Post by **Alice Ngugi** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:13

Alexandros92 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:05
Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 13:50
Alexandros92 wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 06:56 Sending them out of the Garden is neither. It is just the natural outcome of their choice. Since the fruit basically symbolizes the lack of trust toward nature and God and thus the awaking of the Ego and the need for knowledge, it is only natural that human beings found themselves to be isolated. It is not a curse and not a blessing.

If humans trusted God and let go of their Ego, the gates of Eden would reopen in the afterlife. It is a choice, nobody is punishing us.
I love your perspective.
Thank you so much!! I try to read books on Christian mysticism and psychology that talk a lot about this. I would highly suggest J. Peterson's "Garden of Edem" lecture, on youtube. It gives a really unique perspective and changed a lot the way I think about the Bible. Let me know if you liked it (if you choose to watch it)

I will give it a shot and let you know! Thanks!

Alice Ngugi · Post by **Alice Ngugi** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:15

Joseph_ngaruiya wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:00
Alice Ngugi wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 13:43
JM Reviews wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 00:58

I partly agree with you. But, what's there to enjoy with emotions. I don't think emotions are "a blessing" as you put it.
Personally I enjoy variations in my emotions. And when am sad for example am able to look back at times I was happy with more appreciation. When am happy on the other hand, I appreciate the happiness more. The joy and comfort of God in my heart when am going through trouble is more wonderful to me than when everything is simply smooth. That's how I feel.
Emotions are a blessing. You wouldn't enjoy the love of your loved ones without them. To iterate on my statement: I will leave you with the wise words of Hellen Keller, “The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart.”

Thanks for the quote... indeed that's where the most beauty is found.

Miller56 · Post by **Miller56** » 09 Jun 2020, 14:23

I think sending Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden was a blessing. I think it was a form of discipline to make them understand they need to trust and rely on God, but also that their own behaviors and ideas may not be the best thing for them. I also think if they were allowed to stay in the garden then they would have not learned anything from what they did.

Bukola02 · Post by **Bukola02** » 09 Jun 2020, 15:49

I believe that sending Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden was neither a curse nor was it a blessing. I think it was the price they had to pay for being disobedient to God. if they had continued to live in the garden they would have not appreciated all the priviledges that enjoyed.

Katherine Smith · Post by **Katherine Smith** » 09 Jun 2020, 16:31

I think that God sending Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden was a curse and a blessing. It was a way for Adam and Eve to atone for their sins and experience hardship. It also made them appreciate the good life that they had in the Garden and work harder for God's acceptance. I think that this story represents the hardships that humans must go through in order to appreciate what they have and be grateful for what they have.

Kyprene Work 2020 · Post by **Kyprene Work 2020** » 09 Jun 2020, 22:19

Blessing or curse it depends on how you view it. "The apple" refers to reliance on God to continue to provide and protect them as a couple. Blessing would be in acceptance of this belief. The curse is not a curse but a consequence of choosing to rely or not and taking responsibility for that action instead of passing the buck or laying blame.