But again, some people may argue that God knew us before we were born, he knows what we will do in future. If our future doings are already predetermined, is there a freewill? Really?Dee_Robert wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 08:37Oh, I like how you said it, limited by their freewill to enjoy Gods best for them, I agree a 100%Wyzdomania_Gskillz wrote: ↑04 Jun 2020, 10:23 Well, I think God is not limited in any sense. Whether when viewed through the lenses of the fictional representation in the book or otherwise. God set in place the rules that govern the earth including freewill for His children. He cannot hence, be considered as limited because He respects the rules he put in place for order. His children are however, limited in their ability to maximise their free will to choose God's best for them. God's ultimate purposes always comes to realisation even if the immediate one doesn't get actualised in any of His children's lives. That is a function of their own limitation not His
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If I understand you correctly, do you mean that only our good paths are predetermined? Like God only knows our future if we choose his ways?Dee_Robert wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 08:41The issue is tricky but I'll tell you as someone explained to me beforeJacktone Ogada wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 00:40 I would advice reading the book without religious prejudices whatsoever. Anyway, I have usually found the issue tricky. God is said to have given man free will to do whatsoever he pleases but is portrayed as having planned their lives and destinies before they were even born. So are we living what was already planned or what we choose? Do we even choose our lives if it was already planned?
God gives man the freewill to exist within the borders of his already made plan. So think of the plan as long term, already set in stone, already rolling.
See your life as someone who can choose to be in Gods plan or out of it by the choices you make each day. God hopes you choose his way and fit into his overall plan but He doesn't force you to.
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And he already knows whether or not we will be living the good way? He knew this even before we were born? He still attempts to teach us his right way although he knows clearly that we'll eventually choose the wrong way? Interesting.Dee_Robert wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 08:43Well that's different. But Christians may argue with you there because God is all knowing, his knowledge is pure and clean and life.Ana-Maria-Diana wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 03:19 I think that resembles a lot what I have read recently and it is because parents teach us to be the way they are because they don't know other way even if they would want us to be different. So God limites his children action because He knows no other way to teach them and his children limit his actions because they want to be different, but don't know how to really do it, only to rebel against him. This can be seen and very often used when Lucifer is described as the son of God how go against him. A kind of different perspective.
I think a better perspective would be that He sees the good and the bad way and encourages us to live in the good way which is the way He lives.
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I think it's possible. All you need to do is to assume that the story is purely fictional. By so doing, you cease to verify the story by referring to the preexisting biblical facts.Dee_Robert wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 08:45How does one read a book based off the Bible without religious prejudices?Jacktone Ogada wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 00:40 I would advice reading the book without religious prejudices whatsoever. Anyway, I have usually found the issue tricky. God is said to have given man free will to do whatsoever he pleases but is portrayed as having planned their lives and destinies before they were even born. So are we living what was already planned or what we choose? Do we even choose our lives if it was already planned?
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Yes, he is all knowing and exactly this creates boundaries because He has high expectation from his children but without telling them the information he already knows. With this he creates boundaries for them and they in return do not obey him anymore.JM Reviews wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 09:44I think saying that God knows no other way to lead his children, when we all know that he is all knowing, is contradictory. I don't know what exactly you meant by that sentence. Do you mind elaborating?Ana-Maria-Diana wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 03:19 I think that resembles a lot what I have read recently and it is because parents teach us to be the way they are because they don't know other way even if they would want us to be different. So God limites his children action because He knows no other way to teach them and his children limit his actions because they want to be different, but don't know how to really do it, only to rebel against him. This can be seen and very often used when Lucifer is described as the son of God how go against him. A kind of different perspective.
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Maybe! Then we should stop blaming the devil for all the sinful acts we do! Sometimes the things we do, can turn around our lives and can put us in the right path.JM Reviews wrote: ↑05 Jun 2020, 09:15I think that's debatable. I don't understand how God can approve of sinful acts. I think he just give freewill to people to do whatever they like.Bhuvana Subramanyam wrote: ↑02 Jun 2020, 11:39 In my place, there is a saying that nothing happens without gods approval. So, maybe god's sons do what he planned for them to do, without even realising it!
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