Is there misogyny in the book?

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Re: Is there misogyny in the book?

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Leen282 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 02:59 I don't think it's the book, it's the original story. When reading the book, the conversations around Eve being secondary to Adam even sound quite sarcastic to me, as if the author wants to mock the situation. But I feel like I am reading it with different eyes from a lot of others based on the reviews I have read so far.
I would like to second this perspective. The author, while staying true to the original story, inserts some subtext suggesting that they thought the original story is misogynistic. It felt more like a commentary or critique on this unfairness rather than a straight retelling or support.
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One of the reasons I separated from the church was because of all the misogynistic dogma. I couldn't come to terms with a belief system that declares women to be second class citizens.
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I think their punishments were proportional to the gravity of their offences. Besides its through Eve that we have the whole of mankind so her pain of childbirth is a direct consequence.
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I think that is because she sinned first and she persuaded Adam to follow her as well. It was the devil that persuaded her, but she persuaded Adam
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Well, that's because Eve didn't give up her free will. and so she has to undergo severe punishment.
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I think the punishments were fair. God is just and let's not forget that it was Eve who sinned first and tempted Adam.
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I could honestly name multiple instances of misogyny in the Bible.
I have quite a few theories about the book that could be considered controversial.

Thinking of Eve as a person that was created from Adams rib, stripping her of her own identity. Molded after Adam to insinuate that somehow his existence as a man was more important than hers, as a woman. Objectifying her by placing her in the garden only to appease Adam’s boredom.
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I think Adam and Eve were given punishments according to what role they played. God was just in His judgment and gave them instructions and punishments accordingly.
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I felt the same thing. It's true that eve's punishment was harsher. But misogyny is not the reason behind that. Her actions resulted in this outcome.
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I don't think her punishment is due to misogyny although I find it harsher and it should be because she induced another to sin.
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Oh, absolutely. One bible verse is quoted more than once in the book: "Your desire shall be for your husband, and, to the extent that he uses that desire for himself, he will rule over you." The simple phrase, "he will rule over you" is enough evidence of misogyny in this book for me. In my opinion, it wasn't absolutely necessary to point out this line multiple times while talking about Adam and Eve, but perhaps the misogyny in this book isn't entirely the fault of the author. The Bible itself, written in a time period that bears prejudices against women, likely shaped the way the author wrote this story.
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I think it's debatable. However, I believe Eve's punishment is much more brutal and harsher compared to Adam's.
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I think that maybe, from a modern standpoint, there is misogyny in the book. But I do not think that author intended his novel to be misogynistic.
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I think that its very subjective in this scene, considering only the type of punishment. I don't interpret it like that, I think that it's not misogyny, but that could be an open question.
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I do think that there was misogyny. And, I agree that Eve's punishment is much more severe. I believe that this is a depiction of the times.
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