Is there misogyny in the book?

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Eve's loss of free will was a bit weird to me. Taking away her free will would have been quite painful but no I don't think the book is misogynistic
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Absolutely! For some reason I already anticipated feeling this way? Maybe it is because of the critique already present on this discussion. But it did hit me with a whole new force.
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Absolutely yes, there is misogyny in the book. However, let's not get all hot and bothered about it. It's only a book and it is a reflection of the source material.
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I don't consider Eve's punishment brutal, considering that she received the same instructions about the fruit as Adam. The decision to go against God was completely on her, she roped Adam in it. I think God's judgment is equitable.
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Let us not forget that this is an ancient text, before Rousseau. A different time, a different morality.
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Biblical tales often have misogyny in them, not just Biblical but every major religion. Just the way it is I guess :P
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I don't think there is misogyny because the author used the bible as basis for the book. In the bible, I think it was stated that eve was tempted first that is why her punishment is much worse. The author could make the punishment fair for both Adam and Eve but it would deviate from the original material. I don't think I'd mind if he did though.
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There is no misogyny in the book because both Adam and Eve got punished for the sins they had individually committed. They both used their free will to go against what God had instructed them.
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I wouldn't say there was misogyny in the book. Rather Adam and Eve received their fair share of the punishment.
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I think so too. Even though humans have not treated women equally in our entire history, religious books should be different.
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I think so too. Even though humans have not treated women equally in our entire history, religious books should be different..
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Bookreviwer2020 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 13:37 So I guess in our times maybe it is seen as mysognist, but in the past such ideas were normal right?
That makes sense. Given that, God should not be susceptible to such a trait/behavior despite it being the norm in the past, since he is supposed to be of perfection.
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I don't think the story was mysogynistic, but I'm not crazy about the idea that the woman is now stuck under the leadership of the man. If Eve married Adam then it means she trusted him but ultimately she can choose whether to follow in his footsteps or not.
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plnjimenez wrote: 25 Jul 2020, 11:03
Bookreviwer2020 wrote: 03 Jun 2020, 13:37 So I guess in our times maybe it is seen as mysognist, but in the past such ideas were normal right?
That makes sense. Given that, God should not be susceptible to such a trait/behavior despite it being the norm in the past, since he is supposed to be of perfection.
I agree and feel like there are flaws in God's character in this book. This interpretation of him is far from perfect because it was written through human eyes.
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ciecheesemeister wrote: 27 Jun 2020, 22:05 One of the reasons I separated from the church was because of all the misogynistic dogma. I couldn't come to terms with a belief system that declares women to be second class citizens.
I think there's a lot of flawed dogma in Christianity. I also don't go to church for that reason.
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