Caining a Son
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Abel and Cain were both raised by parents who knew God in a way none of us will until we meet him face to face someday. To believe in numerology or any other type of "science" above what God said was right or wrong, in my mind, was and is to decide that what you think or believe is more important that what God says. We have God's words in the Bible, but Adam and Eve had them directly from Him...what better source is there? I don't believe in luck.Joseph_ngaruiya wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:09Your comment drives me to the philosophical question of whether fate is real. Numbers have had a deeper meaning since time immemorial: it would be wrong to point out that they don't influence our habits. A good example is 'lucky numbers' which so many people assume are lucky. My opinion is that Cain might have been influenced by the comments and behaviors of his family towards him. Unlike in the contemporary world, back then, culture was followed to the letter.wendilou49 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 11:44 I don't believe his name or the fact that he was born as the "unlucky" number of children in his family. I believe that Cain chose to follow his own will rather than listen to God's voice. It's the same today, I can have 3 or 4 children and raise them all the same...and yet one may chose to rebel while another chooses to follow God's word. Believing in circumstances is like believing in old wives' tales. The number 13 is no more unlucky than any other.
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I believe that answer is that God gives each of us a free will and that some of us just have to try it our own way and find out that our way is usually not the best way. Some will return, others will not.Kirsi_78 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 13:54Well said! I could not agree more. However, what I never understood is why one chooses to rebel and the another one doesn't... but I do believe number 13 is not the reason.wendilou49 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 11:44 I don't believe his name or the fact that he was born as the "unlucky" number of children in his family. I believe that Cain chose to follow his own will rather than listen to God's voice. It's the same today, I can have 3 or 4 children and raise them all the same...and yet one may chose to rebel while another chooses to follow God's word. Believing in circumstances is like believing in old wives' tales. The number 13 is no more unlucky than any other.
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I agree wholeheartedly! I have two children and they were both raised the same way, but both took totally opposite paths as adults. The paths they chose were "their" decisions. I believe the same was true with Cain. It had nothing to do with the number thirteen.Kirsi_78 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 13:54Well said! I could not agree more. However, what I never understood is why one chooses to rebel and the another one doesn't... but I do believe number 13 is not the reason.wendilou49 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 11:44 I don't believe his name or the fact that he was born as the "unlucky" number of children in his family. I believe that Cain chose to follow his own will rather than listen to God's voice. It's the same today, I can have 3 or 4 children and raise them all the same...and yet one may chose to rebel while another chooses to follow God's word. Believing in circumstances is like believing in old wives' tales. The number 13 is no more unlucky than any other.
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Exactly! it can kind of also be linked to the self-fulfilling prophecy as well. Since they treated him differently, he behaved as such.Kelyn wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 16:18 Ir's not whether or not he believed the number of his birth was unlucky. Everyone around him, including his family, believed it and therefore treated him differently...and probably not in a kind way. I believe babies are born as blank slates. Both nature and nurture affect how they develop. In that environment what child wouldn't grow up resentful of being singled out and 'spat on' (figuratively) because of something he had no control over?
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So true. We all make choices and Cain made his own choices. To say it was as a result of the day he was born is not right. God created day and night and said that they were good!wendilou49 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 11:44 I don't believe his name or the fact that he was born as the "unlucky" number of children in his family. I believe that Cain chose to follow his own will rather than listen to God's voice. It's the same today, I can have 3 or 4 children and raise them all the same...and yet one may chose to rebel while another chooses to follow God's word. Believing in circumstances is like believing in old wives' tales. The number 13 is no more unlucky than any other.
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Yes!Magnify3 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2020, 03:02So true. We all make choices and Cain made his own choices. To say it was as a result of the day he was born is not right. God created day and night and said that they were good!wendilou49 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 11:44 I don't believe his name or the fact that he was born as the "unlucky" number of children in his family. I believe that Cain chose to follow his own will rather than listen to God's voice. It's the same today, I can have 3 or 4 children and raise them all the same...and yet one may chose to rebel while another chooses to follow God's word. Believing in circumstances is like believing in old wives' tales. The number 13 is no more unlucky than any other.
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I agree completely. He may have been a difficult child by nature, but the environment he lived in may have added another dynamic that resulted in how he turned out. We've all seen the video's of cats and dogs growing up together, Dogs will behave like cats if that is the environment they grow up in. In that same way, if Cain grew up in an environment in which he was expected to be bad, he would have grown up to be bad. Abel and Cain had a fairly good relationship because Abel never treated him as if he was predestined to be bad. Cain didn't have a good relationship with the other members of his family because he knew that they saw him as a bad seed, and Abel as the good one. Overall, he may have been a difficult child by nature, but his environment didn't do him any favours either. We can't discredit that his environment didn't affect him at all and that it was purely his doing because he was evil. It's just a combination of self-fulfilling prophecy, and the Nature v.s Nurture argument.jdsatosk wrote: ↑11 Jun 2020, 01:31I agree with these assessments. Often, other’s expectations and treatment have a marked difference in the attitudes and choices we make. Certainly we have control over what we do, but the influences of those around us cannot be discounted. Perhaps Cain may have been a difficult child no matter what, but the additional assumption and watchfulness of others could have easily been the extra push toward that expected outcome that he eventually fulfilled.Joseph_ngaruiya wrote: ↑09 Jun 2020, 14:12Even a cub becomes bold by following the lions that kill and roar in the jungle. Our environment and exposure have a lot to do with who we grow up to be.Kelyn wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 16:18 Ir's not whether or not he believed the number of his birth was unlucky. Everyone around him, including his family, believed it and therefore treated him differently...and probably not in a kind way. I believe babies are born as blank slates. Both nature and nurture affect how they develop. In that environment what child wouldn't grow up resentful of being singled out and 'spat on' (figuratively) because of something he had no control over?
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