Is God Open?
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Re: Is God Open?
Well, according to what I know about God, He is a just God. He loves his creation and has therefore given them free will to even doubt His goodness. Therefore, I believe He is open, because of His benevolent gift of free will. He would have prevented Cain from killing Abel, but that would have been in violation of His policy of allowing human beings to do as they want. This aspect of his character is a double-edged sword because, sometimes, one man's meat is another man's poison. In this case, Cain's exercising of his free will led to Abel's untimely demise.
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God is open. God is everything.
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I believe you are right in that God may be more “human” than we think. You can even deduce this from the Bible. God making himself vulnerable is part of being a loving parent. God is not an impersonal always solemn deity. But doesn’t a God that repents and makes itself more vulnerable to us, wishes to have a relationship and even shares his sovereignty makes him more lovable?tieman55 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2020, 11:57 Killing Abel has an Open view of God. Maybe you should as well, just think about it . . .
Can God decide to limit Himself?
If your answer is no, then you and you alone are limiting God.
Does God have the creative abilities and or powers to create beings who are, to some degree, unpredictable?
If your answer is yes, then you must consider whether or not God did just that.
When God decided to become a loving parent of a free will being, He and He alone limited Himself to their free will. WOW, that was one big decision! Becoming a parent always is.
Many readers of Killing Abel object to my open portrayal of God. God’s nature in Killing Abel is, admittedly, much different than much of Christian thought. Most Christians, whether they know it or not, have a Calvinist/ classic Greek view of God. I do not. Greek classical theism believes that God is immutable. I do not. Becoming a parent is a change, and the Son humbling Himself to become a man . . . WOW that is one giant change!
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However, God does not need to limit Himself.
What would be the purpose of that?
No, I don't believe God limits himself.
We humans are limited, yes, the creator of humans is not.
I for one, would in no way ever want to be subservient to a diety that is limited.
Why would I?
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If God wanted to, could He choose to forget something?Ldpuff wrote: ↑10 Sep 2020, 20:08 So many questions! I had to read this post multiple times before formulating a response. I believe God is limitless. I also believe he creates beings with free will, not beings who are unpredictable. He knows how our story could go, but gives us the free will to make choices. He is all knowing.
If you say no then God is not all powerful, if you say yes then you must concede that there may be something He might choose to for get.
Maybe He chooses to forgive and forget forgiven sin?
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God is and was limited by His love.zainherb wrote: ↑20 Nov 2020, 09:43 God has the power to decide anything and do anything.
However, God does not need to limit Himself.
What would be the purpose of that?
No, I don't believe God limits himself.
We humans are limited, yes, the creator of humans is not.
I for one, would in no way ever want to be subservient to a diety that is limited.
Why would I?
He decided to have a Son, He then and there limited Himself out of the love and respect He has for His children.
All loving fathers are limited by love and by the acts of their children, we just are.
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His gift of free will is proof of how open God is, He doesn't hold us back, rather He gives us the opportunity to choose and live with our choices.
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I do not think it is about forgetting, I think the focus is to be on forgiving. He does not forget our sins, but they are forgiven. I am sure there are things he is not pleased with us for as we have free will and ultimately choose our paths, but I do not think he can/would forget.tieman55 wrote: ↑25 Nov 2020, 09:22If God wanted to, could He choose to forget something?Ldpuff wrote: ↑10 Sep 2020, 20:08 So many questions! I had to read this post multiple times before formulating a response. I believe God is limitless. I also believe he creates beings with free will, not beings who are unpredictable. He knows how our story could go, but gives us the free will to make choices. He is all knowing.
If you say no then God is not all powerful, if you say yes then you must concede that there may be something He might choose to for get.
Maybe He chooses to forgive and forget forgiven sin?
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I do not think it is about forgetting, I think the focus is to be on forgiving. He does not forget our sins, but they are forgiven. I am sure there are things he is not pleased with us for as we have free will and ultimately choose our paths, but I do not think he can/would forget.
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By saying "he" meaning God, can't forget, you are placing a limit on God. You can say that God may choose to not forget, that would not limit God. So, God could choose not to forget something, agreed. But why if your forgiven would God need/want to remember something that He has chosen to forgive?
Also, you have to deal with Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.
That Psalm seems like another way of sayin He has forgotten your forgiven sin.
In addition, in male/female relationships, when one member of the "team" brings up a past "forgiven" trespass, the other person is generally not pleased as forgiven to most means forgotten.