Caromentis vs Cosmos.

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Re: Caromentis vs Cosmos.

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I don't think there is necessarily conflict between magic and science. I think they complement each other in the series. At one point, I think it's in the second book, a character actually describes the importance of balance between magic, faith and science.
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Rwill0988 wrote: 14 Oct 2020, 21:41 I don't think there is necessarily conflict between magic and science. I think they complement each other in the series. At one point, I think it's in the second book, a character actually describes the importance of balance between magic, faith and science.
I agree. I also suspect that this balance will be what allows Galen and his friends to overcome their powerful enemies, like Meldorath and the Emperor of Lullabies, who might focus on only one of the three types of power.
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Magic and Science in this fantastic universe does seem to clash. Especially since Caromentis is described as a place where one's imagination is key which seems to contradict with Science since Science relies on what is real.
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I didn't mind the juxtaposition very much. Events in our world are also influenced by both the spiritual and physical world. The only disadvantage is that many characters used their magical powers to oppress those who didn't have it.
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Sou Hi wrote: 05 Oct 2020, 03:37 It looks to me that the author is leaning towards the prowess of magic. Aside from Virko, the other cities are not very familiar with science. All the powerful characters are more or less using magic: Meldorath, Demetrius, the Church of Destinism, the Mianoran, Virko's demons, Folcro, Marshus, the Chalethirian knights, the Joshuan, the Emperor. The more I read the more dominant magic becomes in the books.
I agree with this. I think the world focuses more on magic than on technological advancement, although the sciences do still have their place in the common culture of Voulhire's population.
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Book 6, Flesh of the Mind, goes into a lot of detail about Caromentis, and a lot of the action takes place there. The inhabitants' residences are shaped by their memories and imaginations, which I find fascinating and appealing. There are also artificial life forms or simulacra created in the same fashion, and that may be appealing or unsettling, depending on one's point of view.
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The idea of an unseen magical universe was one of my favorite things about this book, especially when the girl arrives from Caromentis and discovers the purposefulness of the physical world.
Yes, the combination of science and magic (without stepping into each other toes) is most intriguing.
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What a fascinating question! I feel there is still much for us as readers to learn about both Caromentis and Cosmos - this book was just a snippet to get us interested. It would be very interesting to see if there will be a science versus magic war, or if the Voulhirians can find a way to balance the two and let them work together to further their society.
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They'll possibly be given a stage to see which outmatches which. I love when fantasy ties the two together, and I really enjoyed how it was accomplished in the We are Voulhire series so far. I'm not sure as to whether there will be an all-out war just yet, but I am looking forward to how the two will interact with each other.
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I think in the world of Voulhire alone can these exist parallel to each other. The author was hinting at a war between science and magic. But, I feel like because the Voulhirian kingdom uses both science and magic to prosper they are both vital for stabilization of the kingdom.
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I loved the combination of science and magic, two of my favorite topics. Seeing them combined in a book was fun to read and see the author explore.
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I always love when magic and science are explored in relation to each other. I find it very interesting. Both are complex topics and there are so many ways for an author to decide how they interact.
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The moment Beth appeared from the magical world to Voulhire, I wanted more exploration and discussion about Caromentis. Further along in the books, I want to see if Voulhire has enough magical backup to combat those who come from Caromentis. The fight scene in this book showed me that Voulhire was not well-equipped as they should've been, so, who knows.
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I did not feel that the author may be hinting at war between the Cosmos and Caromentis. If that happens, Caromentis will win, hands down. What could the magic world want that they could only get from the Cosmos? It is more likely that the Cosmos will try to get magic abilities from Caromentis to gain power, which is exactly what Meldorath did. Not everyone in the Cosmos could use magic if it were freely available. We need some good guys from the Cosmos to use magic to fight Meldorath and others who would use magic to do evil. Since the reader was led to believe in the possibility that Marshus survived, maybe he will be a part of the good guys who save Voulhire from Meldorath. However, this author does have some non-traditional ideas when writing his worlds, and perhaps we will be pleasantly surprised with what happens. Additionally, the introduction of a being from the magic world crossing over to the Cosmos could cause a war depending on who she represents in Caromentis. Sadly, her first encounter is with Meldorath; I am interested to see how that relationship develops.
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In my opinion, there is an imbalance between science and magic. Magic ranks higher than science. The people who are most feared are the mages like the old mad who was a biomage and Meldorath who possessed great magical powers than the rest.
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