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ashleymarie310 wrote: 29 Nov 2020, 10:01 I don't know that it's a matter of a "bad side" and a "good side". Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. For Ron, I would say he bounced around in relationships a lot while trying to figure out who he is and who he likes. He also had a bit of a gambling addiction that could have ending drastically different for him if not for the redeeming qualities Regina helped him find in himself.
I like the way that you have tackled it. Yes, rather than saying good or bad, it is much more important to catogorize his qualities as strengths and weaknesses. Self confidence and ability to be persistent were his strengths, while the lack of self control was a weakness
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Miraphery wrote: 29 Nov 2020, 19:04 Ron's bad side for me would be his gambling habits. His good side is definitely his resolve, when he sets his mind to achieve something, he does.
Gambling, he could not control it and it went on as an addiction. And yes, his quality of being persistent made him achieve his goals
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shamayelnur wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 05:22 I think his jumping into different relationships is a weakness of him. I feel he was still not stable to figure out what he wanted and it was a learning process. His good side was his devotion towards his friends and I loved his personality as well
I don't see jumping from one relationship to another as a weakness. You have to find a good life partner, and you need courage to get away from a relationship when you feel like it is not for you. I think Ron was doing that and actually that ability was a strength
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Nelson Lyric wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 09:17
Tonze wrote: 07 Nov 2020, 17:53 What is the bad side you have seen about Ron and what is his good side?
For me Ron's bad side was that jumping from one Relationship to the other. And the good side I have seen is that he was persistent to what he wants no matter what.
Ron, has an Epic Character! I would call him the go getter because he always gets what he desires (good side), I believe that is what lead to his uncontrollable gambling habit (bad side).
Getting what you need always is a debatable fact. The method that you fulfill that has to be considered. I would rather say that Ron was persistent throughout his endeavors and that was his good side
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Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:44
12ultimate wrote: 10 Nov 2020, 22:41 I feel one of Ron's most positive attributes is his determination, which lets him get through all matter of situations such as being assaulted, getting divorced, and even losing a loved one. He seems unshakable save for rare occasions in the book, which makes him a truly noteworthy character.

By the same token, Ron also seems to be the type to not question things beyond a preliminary examination, which gets him into trouble. A lot of the actions he takes seem questionable or dangerous (all of the experiments with Regina are prime examples, though even his "encounter" with Sheila radiated reckless behavior), and it's possible at least a few situations and complications could've been avoided if he'd used more hindsight (his divorce, potentially).
Agreed. He is rash when making decisions and it is not once or twice that he faced the relevant bad consequences

But his quality of being persistent throughout is admirable
>I believe that, good or bad, one of the best qualities for a character to have is consistency. Ron displays that in spades, so even though he makes bad decisions I don't fault him for them. They're just a product of being human.
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Ron's good side was his confidence and his bad side being a higher risk appetite and lower self-control.
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12ultimate wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 13:17
Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:44
12ultimate wrote: 10 Nov 2020, 22:41 I feel one of Ron's most positive attributes is his determination, which lets him get through all matter of situations such as being assaulted, getting divorced, and even losing a loved one. He seems unshakable save for rare occasions in the book, which makes him a truly noteworthy character.

By the same token, Ron also seems to be the type to not question things beyond a preliminary examination, which gets him into trouble. A lot of the actions he takes seem questionable or dangerous (all of the experiments with Regina are prime examples, though even his "encounter" with Sheila radiated reckless behavior), and it's possible at least a few situations and complications could've been avoided if he'd used more hindsight (his divorce, potentially).
Agreed. He is rash when making decisions and it is not once or twice that he faced the relevant bad consequences

But his quality of being persistent throughout is admirable
>I believe that, good or bad, one of the best qualities for a character to have is consistency. Ron displays that in spades, so even though he makes bad decisions I don't fault him for them. They're just a product of being human.
One thing that makes Ron standout is his relentless nature. He keeps going for it. But on the downside, he is unable to make better decisions when it comes to his personal life. He doesn't know how to prioritize, he is only interested in getting the job done. Robert Leet might have used him to teach the readers the lesson of seeking to understand, listening more, and having a balanced life.
Discipline is the bridge between goals and accomplishment.
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Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:49
Miraphery wrote: 29 Nov 2020, 19:04 Ron's bad side for me would be his gambling habits. His good side is definitely his resolve, when he sets his mind to achieve something, he does.
Gambling, he could not control it and it went on as an addiction. And yes, his quality of being persistent made him achieve his goals
I also believe Ron lacked motivation. He didn't have a mentor or self-drive to achieve goals. Regina comes in to fill this gap. She becomes both a mentor and a source of motivation. Robert Leet used her to encourage the readers into forming good habits and becoming sources of inspiration to others.
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Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:51
shamayelnur wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 05:22 I think his jumping into different relationships is a weakness of him. I feel he was still not stable to figure out what he wanted and it was a learning process. His good side was his devotion towards his friends and I loved his personality as well
I don't see jumping from one relationship to another as a weakness. You have to find a good life partner, and you need courage to get away from a relationship when you feel like it is not for you. I think Ron was doing that and actually that ability was a strength
In Timewise Ron isn't going into each relationship trying to find someone to love honestly. He hasn't yet discovered his life and that's why he can't handle a fruitful relationship. It's only after his awareness begins that he tries to lead a positive life. Like everybody else, he gives in to his weaknesses later, which results in a broken relationship.
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Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:48
ashleymarie310 wrote: 29 Nov 2020, 10:01 I don't know that it's a matter of a "bad side" and a "good side". Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. For Ron, I would say he bounced around in relationships a lot while trying to figure out who he is and who he likes. He also had a bit of a gambling addiction that could have ending drastically different for him if not for the redeeming qualities Regina helped him find in himself.
I like the way that you have tackled it. Yes, rather than saying good or bad, it is much more important to catogorize his qualities as strengths and weaknesses. Self confidence and ability to be persistent were his strengths, while the lack of self control was a weakness
Do you think Robert Leet intentionally used Ron's bad and good side to send a message to the readers? Ron has his weaknesses and strengths but in Timewise the strengths are attached to a bad side and the weaknesses are attached to the good side. For instance, gambling is his strength, but it affects his goals in life extensively. It's all he thinks about. Schooling is portrayed as a weakness, an obligation that he can't meet without motivation. These two sides of the narrative make the book interesting and gripping.
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Joseph_ngaruiya wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 23:34
Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:48
ashleymarie310 wrote: 29 Nov 2020, 10:01 I don't know that it's a matter of a "bad side" and a "good side". Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. For Ron, I would say he bounced around in relationships a lot while trying to figure out who he is and who he likes. He also had a bit of a gambling addiction that could have ending drastically different for him if not for the redeeming qualities Regina helped him find in himself.
I like the way that you have tackled it. Yes, rather than saying good or bad, it is much more important to catogorize his qualities as strengths and weaknesses. Self confidence and ability to be persistent were his strengths, while the lack of self control was a weakness
Do you think Robert Leet intentionally used Ron's bad and good side to send a message to the readers? Ron has his weaknesses and strengths but in Timewise the strengths are attached to a bad side and the weaknesses are attached to the good side. For instance, gambling is his strength, but it affects his goals in life extensively. It's all he thinks about. Schooling is portrayed as a weakness, an obligation that he can't meet without motivation. These two sides of the narrative make the book interesting and gripping.
That maybe correct. But when thought into much deeper, his real strength was his ability towards mathematics and he used that in gambling. Initially he didn't have that insight. And schooling was a problem for him because he had financial issues as well as no enough motivation. So it was not really a weakness, but a problem that he faced with
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Sushan wrote: 30 Nov 2020, 10:38 Having multiple relationships is good or bad depending on the culture. Given the culture where the book stands in, it doesn't appear to be a bad thing.

Keeping mind on earning money is not bad. But if he planned to do it by any means, then it can become ugly
You make a good point: it could really be our differences in cultures and beliefs. (Although some show progress from their traditions.) Also, I never said wanting to earn a big amount of money was a bad thing. I was simply pointing out that in the beginning, his life centered on that, and I wished he had the privilege to explore himself beyond counting cards.
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lavkathleen wrote: 10 Nov 2020, 02:39 Having multiple relationships throughout one's lifetime is not a bad thing.

One bad side I could think of was during his early years, he was only interested in earning money. I don't blame him at all for that. I wanted him to figure out what his passions are other than that, like a crazy ambitions that would lead him to greatness. But then again, you need to have the privilege of having money and support to do that, which he didn't have at first.

His good side that I love was his loyalty to his friends. For me, it's one of the most important virtues you should have and offer to others... and he nailed it. I love him for that.
Yes, I agree, having multiple relationships throughout one's lifetime is not bad, this is an experience that many people have. I suppose that all while his early years could be considered bad, it is also important to consider the fact that many people become stuck in the cycle of becoming interested in only earning money. So I agree with your point.
I also believe that yearning for money is a somewhat nautral human behaviour, we're always yearning for material things whether this is subcosicous or not.
So in a way, his behaviour makes sense. But there is a degree where the behaviour of yearning for material things like money can become toxic or dysfunctional.
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Joseph_ngaruiya wrote: 24 Nov 2020, 10:14 Luckily, Ron's impulsive behavior hardly got him in trouble. What I liked most about him is his attitude towards challenges. He lost on gambling and never took it negatively. He risked being evicted from his residence but did the right thing of striking a deal with his landlord.
He reminds me of myself. This is the only way to move forward in life: keep going. This is proof that Ron's one hell of a tough guy.
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According to my opinion, I don't see hopping starting with one relationship then onto the next as a shortcoming. You need to locate a decent life accomplice, and you need boldness to move away from a relationship when you feel like it isn't for you. I think Ron was doing that and really that capacity was a strength.
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