Jesus was selfish?
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If Jesus was selfish, He wouldn't lay down his life for mankind. It just doesn't make sense for a man to be selfish, yet do the most selfless act ever recorded on earth. He wouldn't even leave His Father's side at all. He knew what dying on the cross of Calvary enrolled, the risks, benefits and all that comes with it and yet choose to do it. Unless the author has another definition to selfishness that would cause him to term his act selfish, Jesus act of dying on the cross is the most selfless act ever talked of in history.
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I agree with you. Initially the authir started out with his doubts and questions that he had. He then started pointing facts which didn't seem to have a legitimate source. Then eventually some of his facts started to contradict one another. Initially I had thought that it was a harmless attempt made by him to figure things out, but like you had said he is inferring what he simply wants about Jesus and the churches, due to the gaps in what he had found out.cd20 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2020, 14:51 I think this book was a book of contradictions. I felt that Hunt went on a rant about the Catholic church and this is what came of that. The Catholic Church is not the same as other churches, their belief system is different, so Hunt is inferring what he wants to about Jesus, without any real research to back up his claims. We have to be careful of people spouting truth, without any real evidence.
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I perfectly agreed with you. How can a selfish man choose to sacrifice himself for humanity? The author needs to do more research to back up his claim.Veraok wrote: ↑05 Jan 2021, 00:28 I won't agree that Jesus died for the redemption of sinful men as a sinful man. God had always looked for sinless and spotless being to be sacrificed for men to live and I think it was only Jesus that could fit in.That is why he was referred to as the sacrificial Lamb in the Bible.
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I personally think we've taken to discussion the basic requirements of life such as breath, clothing, food, shelter as the selfishness of Jesus which is getting attributed to his sinfulness therefore he couldn't have been a worthy sacrifice. I believe then I the context of our new definition of selfishness that he was the least selfish being therefore qualify as a worthy sacrifice. There wouldn't be a Jesus to talk about without those 'selfish' acts, he'd have died at birth.hlhunt33 wrote: ↑01 Jan 2021, 15:18 Confused? Please refer to my definition of selfishness which is, 'anything directed at self". All so-called sin comes under that giant umbrella of selfishness. Jesus was selfish in the sense that he required food, drink, clothing, shelter. He had to breath, sleep and eliminate---all activities directed at self. Extremes of selfishness have been decried by society and classified as sin. In order to get the Israelites attention, Moses had to re-present the Ten Commandments (his rules for societal order) to them as God's commands---it worked for a little while. Then the loopholes had to be filled in---they still are, even as I speak. I hope this helps. Hilary Hunt
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Absolutely! I believe that too. How will a selfish person give up his own life? I totally disagree with the author.Viczboy16 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2020, 06:25 I disagree with the author about Joseph being the biological father of Jesus and that Jesus was a child prodigy and the Bible had fabrications. If Jesus was just smart, he would have understood the scriptures were fabricated and would not give his life to mankind. If he was selfish, he wouldn’t give his life up for mankind but he was selfless and that was why he gave his life up.
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"How much sense does it make that a selfish/sinful man died for mankind's salvation?"Kenesha L Fowler wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 16:33 In chapter 20, talking about Jesus, Hunt (the author) completely rejects the writings surrounding Jesus's genealogy, His conception and certain aspects of His life as told by the apostles; they are all fabrications, all part of the "Jesus Story." He doesn't accept "any of the so-called prophetic predictions in the Old Testament." He contends that the virgin birth is highly unlikely, and he proposes that Joseph was the natural father of Jesus. According to him, Jesus was a child prodigy, "in which case, He would have studied and understood the scriptures at a young age much better than the wisest old sages."
Um, the same scriptures with the incredible stories and so-called prophetic predictions??
So we have this completely human Jesus, whom Hunt also points out was selfish (and therefore sinful, because according to him, sin = selfishness, right?) So this human, sinful/selfish Jesus (who "knew a messiah was to come") came to the understanding that "His Spirit and the Father's Spirit were one," and that "He and His Father must be Perfect Love...He saw Himself as the Son of God, the Sacrificial Lamb who must pay the price of Perfect Love and Perfect Justice."
In chapter 21, Hunt states that it is his only faith that Jesus died for our salvation.
Having read all that, here's what I'm wondering:
1: Considering the author's notion of a completely human Jesus who was just really smart in his time, does it then mean that anyone could have done what He did, just by studying some scriptures and coming to certain "understandings"?
2. How much sense does it make that a selfish/sinful man died for mankind's salvation?
I was about to ask this same thing before I saw it on your comment. If anything, Jesus's life reeked of selflessness. I mean, that was his sole purpose of coming to Earth: to save the lost and dying. These are people who didn't even like him or believe in what he came to do, and yet, he died for them? Who goes as far as to die just to prove a point that he knows is false?
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If Jesus was selfish, why would he give his life for the salvation of mankind? Doesn't that defeat the term?
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