Did you find Berrah's views of women's place in community, war, and politics to have been consistent or inconsistent?
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Re: Did you find Berrah's views of women's place in community, war, and politics to have been consistent or inconsistent
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I can acknowledge the fact that people are taught the wrong things as they were growing up. I know you all see that he grew past his sexist views on women, but that's not what I saw. If he addressed this err in the book, then I would've agreed. Also, as women, we have the right to not just forgive trespasses like this.raluca_mihaila wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 04:16 We have to take into consideration that people change, and that takes time. Unfortunately, we are influenced by our background and education, and the process of adapting to the changes in society takes a lot of open-mindedness. He did change his views, and that showed a lot of maturity. However, we should not judge him too harsh for his initial opinions.
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He said that because he thought children in China weren't as nurtured by their mothers compared to those in Africa? Okay, that's interesting. But reading back to that section, he flat out disagreed when the president of the association said that "by not empowering women, a country would be deprived of half its potential." It's painful and degrading to read that.LeighBee wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 15:04 I agree with you - this was actually one of the examples I was thinking about when I posted this discussion question.
When I read about his visit to China, I did get the same sense when I read that statement that he was basically saying women's place is in the home; however, I could not tell if he was making this as a statement about China's culture or his own values. What I finally decided, as you pointed out, was that since his audience included accomplished women, I read this as simply his observations of China. I thought he was trying to explain that in China when he visited, he observed this as one of their cultural values.
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I really wish that his opinions changed as he grew older and met different kinds of women. But I also wish that he addressed this because I'll never forget what he said on page 101, location 1432. It's a sick thing to say, knowing that he's already been around women activists and even those who joined in the armed struggle before he said this.
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He should've said something about it, instead of making barely-there supportive statements scattered across the book. If he can be very particular and articulate about how much he believed that women should be good mothers and stay at home with their child/ren, then he can do that too. At best, I'll see it as tolerance; as a woman, I felt invisible but not in a good way.Jenniferg_1105 wrote: ↑16 Feb 2021, 20:08 I agreed with you completely. I am guessing that as he aged he grew to respect women more. Maybe the many different women he met along the way, and his multiple wives, changed his perspective. Or maybe he just began to notice the women’s accomplishments more.
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I think you've made an important point. There are so many instances where women's roles are discussed and displayed, it seems strange that he did not speak directly to address why he did or did not support women at different times throughout his life. He was so careful to describe personal development in other areas; the lack of directly discussing the topic in itself makes it seem that he may not have valued the issue.lavkathleen wrote: ↑28 Feb 2021, 01:32I really wish that his opinions changed as he grew older and met different kinds of women. But I also wish that he addressed this because I'll never forget what he said on page 101, location 1432. It's a sick thing to say, knowing that he's already been around women activists and even those who joined in the armed struggle before he said this.
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That said, his views were relatively inconsistent, as a whole. However, they may be consistent with his mindset at the time, but we don't always get that view from books, specifically non-fiction.
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