Which side are you in?

Post by **Bertha Jackson** » 03 Mar 2021, 17:17

Number 3 matches me the best. I tend to believe that God, who knows all, knew science at the time of creation. However, we mere mortals may not have the true facts of science. We do not know all, as God does.

Praise GodWord · Post by **Praise GodWord** » 03 Mar 2021, 17:41

For me, I belong to the second group. I do not doubt the assertions of the Bible, but when it comes to disagreement with teachings of the Bible, I become mindful of its applicability.

friedmanndaniel · Post by **friedmanndaniel** » 03 Mar 2021, 20:55

Thank you. My intent was not to be philosophical but scientific, as I am a scientist. So I went to the science and wrote down what we know, e.g. the age of things, like the sun. Then I went to the Bible and took it at face value in its assertion that it is the record the Creator left behind. Now He was focused on behavior- like the 10 commandments, but He included some scientific data, like when the sun was made. So I went to check if the two sources the scientific measurement and the Creator's notes matched or not. You as the reader are to be the judge. Others have done a lot of work on the biblical stories as you have discussed, I focused on chapter 1 of Genesis. My approach to history was similar.

I saw this fourth group
'there's a fourth group: people who are on both sides and believe that there is just more to it than we can possibly know as humans.'
as the same as the third group, but you are correct. In the book i show that the Bible actually tells us what things we will not understand as Humans: either using the scientific method or studying the Bible. These are the three out of nothing creations in Genesis. I am writing a book on each of these. The first will be published April 1- Mysteries of the First Instant.

Goral · Post by **Goral** » 03 Mar 2021, 21:13

I would say I'm a part of the third group of people. I believe that science and religion should go hand in hand; what science can't answer, religion can and what religion can't answer, science can. It would perhaps lead to a more complete solution to the problem of figuring out the origin of the universe.

Jennifer Garcia 555 · Post by **Jennifer Garcia 555** » 03 Mar 2021, 22:26

I suppose I would be in group 3. I think that science and the Bible both go together and I try to stay open minded. I try to see things from different perspectives so that I get a more complete picture.

Unique Ego · Post by **Unique Ego** » 04 Mar 2021, 01:58

Sushan wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 19:57
When you consider the origin of the universe, the emergence of life on Earth, and the future of humanity, the chances are you do so from one of three perspectives. Perhaps you’re educated in the sciences and are convinced that current scientific theories and data explain our origins and enable us to exercise some control over future events; yet you also have a knowledge of the Bible and its seeming incompatibility with science. Alternatively, you might believe that God created the world and that the scriptures contain all of the answers about our origins and future; at the same time, you understand the basics of the scientific theories and can see their apparent incongruity with some of the teachings of your religion. Then again, you may be familiar with the fundamentals of biblical religions and of science, not feel committed to one or the other perspective, yet be curious about whether their apparently disparate explanations and timelines for our origins and outlook on the future are reconcilable.
As per the author, there are three kinds of humans when it comes to the discussion regarding origin of the solar system and life.

1. Those who believe in scientific theories and see the incongruity of the biblical teachings with the scientific evidence.

2. Those who believe in God and the creation, yet with the basic scientific knowledge seeing that what science says does not go along with what bible says.

3. Those who have a fairly good knowledge about science as well as the bible, but not taken any side, yet thinking over whether these two can go hand in hand.

Are these the only groups that we can divide all humans regarding this topic of discussion? In which group are you in (or mostly fit in)? Why do you say so?

Looking at these categories of people, I guess I belong in a fourth group of people: I believe every word in the Bible and I do not think that science somehow invalidates scripture or is incompatible to it. There's a ton of research on this issue from both believing and aethist scholars that reveal agreements in scripture and science.

Besides, as one man put it: science explains how certain things happen; religion (Christianity in this case) tells us why.

Ann Ogochukwu · Post by **Ann Ogochukwu** » 04 Mar 2021, 01:59

Sam Lauren wrote: ↑02 Mar 2021, 06:42 I think there's a fourth group: people who are on both sides and believe that there is just more to it than we can possibly know as humans.

I fit into the third group, but with the emergence of a fourth group, I have to confess that I fit into two groups.
Science has authenticated the bible more times than it cares to accept. However, science only goes as far as the human mind. And it is unarguable that there's more than meets the human mind (coupled with science and our interpretation of the bible). So I think every rational person should, in addition to one of the aforementioned groups, be in the fourth group.

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 03:47

Bertha Jackson wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 17:17 Number 3 matches me the best. I tend to believe that God, who knows all, knew science at the time of creation. However, we mere mortals may not have the true facts of science. We do not know all, as God does.

That does not sound like number 3 to me. You actually have more faith on God, and you believe that He was a scientist too. So He have created the world scientifically, and the scientists are currently in the process of discovering His work.

So, to me, it implies that what scientists currently finding is about God, but not some new knowledge. This sounds more like going along with the number 1 group

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 04:21

Reviewer100 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 17:41 For me, I belong to the second group. I do not doubt the assertions of the Bible, but when it comes to disagreement with teachings of the Bible, I become mindful of its applicability.

So, group 2 in the sense you are a believer. When you see that in some places bible and science do not agree with each other, you think about the applicability of the particular thing.

So, what are your thoughts about the applicability of the concept of the Creation? Is it more applicable or practical to look at the beginning of the universe as a God's creation, or as a multi-factorial phenomena as science explains?

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 04:28

friedmanndaniel wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 20:55 Thank you. My intent was not to be philosophical but scientific, as I am a scientist. So I went to the science and wrote down what we know, e.g. the age of things, like the sun. Then I went to the Bible and took it at face value in its assertion that it is the record the Creator left behind. Now He was focused on behavior- like the 10 commandments, but He included some scientific data, like when the sun was made. So I went to check if the two sources the scientific measurement and the Creator's notes matched or not. You as the reader are to be the judge. Others have done a lot of work on the biblical stories as you have discussed, I focused on chapter 1 of Genesis. My approach to history was similar.

I saw this fourth group
'there's a fourth group: people who are on both sides and believe that there is just more to it than we can possibly know as humans.'
as the same as the third group, but you are correct. In the book i show that the Bible actually tells us what things we will not understand as Humans: either using the scientific method or studying the Bible. These are the three out of nothing creations in Genesis. I am writing a book on each of these. The first will be published April 1- Mysteries of the First Instant.

I would like to see your additional thoughts in that book as well.

So, I see, there is this fourth group who believe that there is something out of the scope of science as well as religions, which is not possible for the humans to understand yet. But is it not what is usually done by various religions? They speak about spirituality, spirit of life, and concepts like that. They cannot be explained by science, yet religions explain them using various examples and terminologies.

So, what I get is that, if there is a fourth group like that, they are the ones who do not want to accept such religious explanations, yet understand that everything cannot be explained by science either.

Please be kind enough to join a similar discussion on this foruw

https://onlinephilosophyclub.com/forums ... m.php?f=36

Here you will see that the topics are similar, yet the audience is different and more critical in their approach. Thank you

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 04:58

Goral wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 21:13 I would say I'm a part of the third group of people. I believe that science and religion should go hand in hand; what science can't answer, religion can and what religion can't answer, science can. It would perhaps lead to a more complete solution to the problem of figuring out the origin of the universe.

Science cannot know everything. There are things that apparently are out of the scope of science. In such occasions religions come into play and explain those things.

Yet there is a difference between 'can answer' and 'correct answer'. Religions can answer what science cannot. But is that the correct answer? How can we know for sure?

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 05:00

Sushan wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 03:47
Bertha Jackson wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 17:17 Number 3 matches me the best. I tend to believe that God, who knows all, knew science at the time of creation. However, we mere mortals may not have the true facts of science. We do not know all, as God does.
That does not sound like number 3 to me. You actually have more faith on God, and you believe that He was a scientist too. So He have created the world scientifically, and the scientists are currently in the process of discovering His work.

So, to me, it implies that what scientists currently finding is about God, but not some new knowledge. This sounds more like going along with the number 1 group

Seemingly I have done a mistake in this post and I am unable to edit it. So I had to add another reply.

I am sorry for mentioning you as belonging to group 1. Actually it should be group 2 as per my understanding

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 05:04

Jenniferg_1105 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2021, 22:26 I suppose I would be in group 3. I think that science and the Bible both go together and I try to stay open minded. I try to see things from different perspectives so that I get a more complete picture.

Well, that is quite a good way to approach things. Neither science, nor religion can explain everything. Yet, if you have a narrow mind and you take a side, either of science or of religion, you try to see and explain everything according to what you believe. Sometimes the explanations won't be correct, but you accept them. And you do not let any opposing ideas to occupy your mind. So, I think it is a good thing to be in this third group, yet with an open mind

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 05:10

Unique Ego wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 01:58
Sushan wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 19:57
When you consider the origin of the universe, the emergence of life on Earth, and the future of humanity, the chances are you do so from one of three perspectives. Perhaps you’re educated in the sciences and are convinced that current scientific theories and data explain our origins and enable us to exercise some control over future events; yet you also have a knowledge of the Bible and its seeming incompatibility with science. Alternatively, you might believe that God created the world and that the scriptures contain all of the answers about our origins and future; at the same time, you understand the basics of the scientific theories and can see their apparent incongruity with some of the teachings of your religion. Then again, you may be familiar with the fundamentals of biblical religions and of science, not feel committed to one or the other perspective, yet be curious about whether their apparently disparate explanations and timelines for our origins and outlook on the future are reconcilable.
As per the author, there are three kinds of humans when it comes to the discussion regarding origin of the solar system and life.

1. Those who believe in scientific theories and see the incongruity of the biblical teachings with the scientific evidence.

2. Those who believe in God and the creation, yet with the basic scientific knowledge seeing that what science says does not go along with what bible says.

3. Those who have a fairly good knowledge about science as well as the bible, but not taken any side, yet thinking over whether these two can go hand in hand.

Are these the only groups that we can divide all humans regarding this topic of discussion? In which group are you in (or mostly fit in)? Why do you say so?
Looking at these categories of people, I guess I belong in a fourth group of people: I believe every word in the Bible and I do not think that science somehow invalidates scripture or is incompatible to it. There's a ton of research on this issue from both believing and aethist scholars that reveal agreements in scripture and science.

Besides, as one man put it: science explains how certain things happen; religion (Christianity in this case) tells us why.

I don't see how this 'how' and 'why' can be explained by different mediums. Science do tell us how and why things are happened. Lightening can be explained as electric charges jumping through a voltage gap because there is a voltage gap between clouds and earth, or whatever we consider. Here, both how and why are explained by science.

And as far as I understand, this fourth group you mention consists of extreme devotees who believe each and every word of the bible, and when someone says that either science disproves or not accepting any biblical saying, your explanation is that science has not reached to understand that 'saying' yet, but the bible is true and accurate.

Post by **Sushan Ekanayake** » 04 Mar 2021, 05:16

Hhannahh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2021, 01:59
Sam Lauren wrote: ↑02 Mar 2021, 06:42 I think there's a fourth group: people who are on both sides and believe that there is just more to it than we can possibly know as humans.
I fit into the third group, but with the emergence of a fourth group, I have to confess that I fit into two groups.
Science has authenticated the bible more times than it cares to accept. However, science only goes as far as the human mind. And it is unarguable that there's more than meets the human mind (coupled with science and our interpretation of the bible). So I think every rational person should, in addition to one of the aforementioned groups, be in the fourth group.

I can accept when people categorize the unexplainable things as things that are out of human reach. That is quite possible and we can expect that one day, we might understand those things.

But what I do not understand is the claim that people make about such things being explained by religion. Science has a way of proving things, and which are unable to be proved are not considered as true or acceptable. Yet, religions explain and accept such things, with no proof. When someone asks for proof, the mere excuse is 'it is God's word'. And if that is the case, such believers, I would like to categorize undet group 2