History repeats itself! Is this true?

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Yes! Absolutely. History has a way of repeating itself. From leaders of our nation to deaths to racism . The author stresses these points throughout and makes it obvious that there are repeated actions that affect us in a negative way
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Suzer6440 xyz wrote: 06 Mar 2021, 12:26 Yes! Absolutely. History has a way of repeating itself. From leaders of our nation to deaths to racism . The author stresses these points throughout and makes it obvious that there are repeated actions that affect us in a negative way
History might be having a way of repeating. But what we see in this book is more a pattern shown to us by the author than a repetition of the history. He has fitted that into some biblical as well as stories from other scriptures and tried to show that these have been the attempts to make the God's divine plan completed. If that is true, this repetition thing, is that also God's doing? If so, why He is doing so?
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Sushan wrote: 06 Mar 2021, 03:47
cd20 wrote: 05 Mar 2021, 16:09 History absolutely does repeat itself. If you really study the Bible, especially the Old Testament and the kings, you will see a lot of events repeat themselves. Obviously, these guys were not paying attention and would make the same mistakes as the kings before them.
First of all, bible is not a history book. Nowhere it is referred to as a reference of history, but referred only as a religious books. Religious books include various stories in them to teach various lessons to humans, but history is not among them. So, because biblical stories are repeated, we cannot logically forward an argument claiming that history repeats itself
While the Bible is not a "historical" book, it is a book of History. The Smithsonian Department of Anthropology is reported to have said this about the Bible “Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated.”
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cd20 wrote: 06 Mar 2021, 13:44
Sushan wrote: 06 Mar 2021, 03:47
cd20 wrote: 05 Mar 2021, 16:09 History absolutely does repeat itself. If you really study the Bible, especially the Old Testament and the kings, you will see a lot of events repeat themselves. Obviously, these guys were not paying attention and would make the same mistakes as the kings before them.
First of all, bible is not a history book. Nowhere it is referred to as a reference of history, but referred only as a religious books. Religious books include various stories in them to teach various lessons to humans, but history is not among them. So, because biblical stories are repeated, we cannot logically forward an argument claiming that history repeats itself
While the Bible is not a "historical" book, it is a book of History. The Smithsonian Department of Anthropology is reported to have said this about the Bible “Much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories. These Biblical records can be and are used as are other ancient documents in archeological work. For the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed. This is not to say that names of all peoples and places mentioned can be identified today, or that every event as reported in the historical books happened exactly as stated.”
Of which events actually are we referring to now? Can you give me some specific examples regarding such historical events that bible accurately describes?

On the other hand, do you suggest that because some of the historical details that the bible has mentioned are proven to be true, that means that all the details in the bible are accurate as well? Most of this ancient history is studied by historians using various historical documents. Those too are written by humans and can be subjected to intentional or unintentional distortions, which is common to bible as well. So, how can we really know that that history is teue either?

Archeological evidence, ofcourse, has some credibility. What are the occasions that archeological evidence directly mentioned that "this is evidence for this biblical story"?
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In my experience, humans or rather me in particular, always do the same things I say I am no longer going to do. So, yes history always repeats itself. I think the author was right, just like the Bible predicts that we are going to forsake Jesus when he returns. History will repeat itself at the end of time too.
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63tty wrote: 07 Mar 2021, 01:14 In my experience, humans or rather me in particular, always do the same things I say I am no longer going to do. So, yes history always repeats itself. I think the author was right, just like the Bible predicts that we are going to forsake Jesus when he returns. History will repeat itself at the end of time too.
I am not certain about the return of Jesus, or he being once again forsaken by humans. Amd yes, people tend to do same mistakes, but that is actually due to negligence, but not because things happen in a predetermined way or according to a pattern.

When we consider this in a mass level, we see that governments fail due to various causes. Then historians compare these incidents to various ancient civilizations and say that history repeats. But what I simply see is the cause and its result. If you treat people in a bad way, you will loose the next election. That is not because it was predetermined, but it is the consequences for your actions
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Sure, history repeats itself all the time. Man can't help but recreate familiar events even if it's subconscious. A more deliberate example would be war. In the past, one civilization emerges victoriously in a war. So, now, man knows that if he provokes a war, he may get what he wants. Religious and history books also condition our minds, so when we look for solutions to political and societal issues, we first try something that has been done before.
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We only need to study history to see that history does indeed repeat itself. Unfortunately, humanity tends to forget and commits the same errors over time.
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Yvonne Monique wrote: 07 Mar 2021, 11:46 We only need to study history to see that history does indeed repeat itself. Unfortunately, humanity tends to forget and commits the same errors over time.
It is true. There is no need of just learning or memorizing this happened this year and that happened that year. We should apply the lessons from history to today and utilize them wisely to plan our future, for a better future.

Yet, it is questionable whether history repeats exactly. Maybe it is rhyming, and that may be the reason why we see patterns that are being repeated
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History does, indeed, repeat itself. However, I choose to disagree with the author's pattern. It is true that:

A bad event occurs.
God empowers someone to take lead.
The serpent fights to win (so the 'Ammalekite' war is spiritual)
The aggressed either wins or the serpent wins.

I disagree with the temple building. In addition, the dying of the leader is mostly of natural causes and not a result of the aggression. I have read many spiritual book but I have never come across the author's pattern of events.
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I think what's really happening is that times change, but people do not. Human nature has always remained the same. That is why history seems to repeat itself.
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Heidadela wrote: 07 Mar 2021, 13:16 History does, indeed, repeat itself. However, I choose to disagree with the author's pattern. It is true that:

A bad event occurs.
God empowers someone to take lead.
The serpent fights to win (so the 'Ammalekite' war is spiritual)
The aggressed either wins or the serpent wins.

I disagree with the temple building. In addition, the dying of the leader is mostly of natural causes and not a result of the aggression. I have read many spiritual book but I have never come across the author's pattern of events.
Bad situations cause leaders to emerge, and I don't know whether each and every leader is empowered by God. And any such leader has abundant enemies, whether they are supported by the serpent or not.

And I believe that not all the leaders died because of aggression. But a leader is the one who holds it together. He is different from a king who binds people and make worship him. So, I think, that the author has mentioned about how everything, which is developed over many sacrifices over years, is subjected to chaos with the demise of the leader. And that is a good catalyst for the whole cycle to repeat. And if history repeats itself, I think that step is also necessary, despite from the way it happens
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I do think history repeated itself. Every great leader or anyone for that matter has always looked back into history to inspire themselves or the action they are going to make so history just happens again and again.
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pricklypurple wrote: 07 Mar 2021, 17:29 I think what's really happening is that times change, but people do not. Human nature has always remained the same. That is why history seems to repeat itself.
I don't agree. Humans evolve. So do the human mind. People tend to learn from past and many thrive. But the problem is with a minority who either not learn or not willing to learn from past, and unfortunately such people are at the top levels of various industries or areas. Then their mistakes are highlighted and remembered by the rest of the world. So we say that history is repeating and people do not learn from their past
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Nhitra wrote: 07 Mar 2021, 23:38 I do think history repeated itself. Every great leader or anyone for that matter has always looked back into history to inspire themselves or the action they are going to make so history just happens again and again.
Well, actually history is a concept, or a collection of knowledge. So it cannot happen itself. People has to repeat it if they want to.

Leaders are not inventors. Inventors are the one who either find or invent things. So they do not have a history to refer to. In contrast, the leaders most often gets questions which have been solved throughout history in various ways. So they inevitability choose a proven method rather than going for something of their own creation. That is why we say that history repeats.
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