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Your question is one that is thought of by both the scientific and religious communities. For myself, I fall somewhere in the middle of embracing both the scientific and religious aspects of human existence. I believe that neither approach can resolve all of our questions nor give us all the answers that we seek. I also believe that both traditions can coexist peacefully since they seek to understand the same questions.
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Science always looks for proof or reason(s) for an event. If the big bang truly leads to the creation or evolution of man, why haven't they find a cause for the event of the big bang? I asked myself this question and I concluded that definitely, a super being must have been in existence that allows every condition that leads to the big bang to be in place. If that is the case, we can still say a super being (God), created everything.
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Wherever scientific evidence doesn't fully give an explanation, it's the secular spectrum that comes in to cover the gaps. In this respect, both can coexist.
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Mounce574 wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 01:19
Maddie Atkinson wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 14:02
Mounce574 wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 13:21 I believe in creationism. This book didn't convince me of that though. The amount of research information was overwhelming at times. I think that God created everything supernaturally so scientific research of the natural evidence would be wrong.
Playing devils advocate here, but can't scientific research help to understand God's creation? Sure, maybe it shows that it didn't happen the way in which the Bible said it did, but He still created everything, maybe just through the Big Bang, and researching the natural world can help us to understand what He created and why He created it? Just another idea and way of looking at it! Not trying to offend you and your beliefs!
Science trumps science. The Big Bang Theory states that molecules exploded from nothing and then randomly stopped as the universe. Physics states for every action there is a reaction plus it is proven that once molecules are in motion they can only travel a straight line. The Earth spins on an axis and rotates around the sun. It physically is impossible that The Big Bang Theory is true. I still side with thr supernatural powers of God.
I take no offense when anyone challenges my beliefs or opinions. We are all entitled to express our thoughts in a constructive manner.
It is the current, continued movement of everything as the universe continues to expand that is the evidence of the Big Bang Theory. Molecules in motion travel in a straight line only if they do not meet any opposing force, so that also is not a contradiction. The reason that planets orbit the sun is due to the laws of gravity, which also govern the expansion of the universe as larger masses like the sun attract smaller masses like earth, altering their trajectory by pulling them into orbit. When the earth was pulled into the sun's orbit, the direction of motion was changed by the force of gravity, so your example supports, not disproves, the principles of Physics. That the planets orbit the sun, if you truly understand physics, is further evidence of the motion of expansion of the Big Bang Theory.

As a Christian who appreciates science, I think it's difficult to make an argument against science without fully understanding it. Personally, the more I learn about the intelligent design evidenced in scientific discoveries, the more the infinite wisdom and strength of God are revealed. It's impossible for me to look at the complexity and wonder of his creation explored through science and decide that since it doesn't fit a certain narrow interpretation of the Bible, it must be false. Our God is an awesome God, and a deep understanding of physics and the laws of the universe deepens my appreciation of his design and power. To explore the intricate workings of the universe and the incredibly unlikely conditions that enabled our existence is the closest I can come to understanding God's unfathomable wisdom and purpose; It is humbling.
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AntonelaMaria wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 07:10 This book gives information about the origins of the cosmos and human destiny. The authors give arguments that there shouldn't be a reason for the separation of two approaches to those subjects.
On which side of the spectrum do you fall; scientific or secular? Did this book do a good job of convincing you otherwise? Can those two ideas coexist together?
I like to believe that the two ideas can coexist together. I'm a firm believer of "anything is possible" adage. I grew up with a Christian faith so I do know what the Bible teaches but I can't say that I don't believe in what the science is saying. I think science and secular go hand in hand.
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I believe science and religion can coexist together as one tool can be utilised to resolve misery of the other. Simply fact, the bible covers the creation in with science can't prove and likewise goes for science.
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I think the two ideas can co-exist together. Most beliefs and belief systems are based on some form of interpretation. Science provides evidence for the way that things are in the world. I love science and I see it as a way to support my spiritual beliefs.
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I tend to lean towards scientific approaches, because of the amount of reasoning or proof behind it. Science is a secular topic as it has no relation to religion, but the two cannot be grouped. There's always a reason for occurrences in science, whereas secular approaches deal with chances. There isn't really an ultimate cause or reason for anything dealing with secular views, so the two are related but cannot coexist in specific arguments and views.
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I believe and trust in the Bible. However, I can agree with science on the age of the universe but not how things came to be, such as evolution. God is omnipotent and no matter how hard we try to explain his ways, we will never be successful.
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Nferdi20 wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 14:43 I believe that science has answers to a lot of things. However, when it comes to supernatural things such as the creation of the universe and what happened before that...... science cannot explain. Those things that science cannot explain about the origins of time and space are beyond our human understanding at this time.
With time science can reveal all the answers. Once upon a time, it is believed that Earth is flat and is in the centre of the universe. But now we know otherwise! So I believe that increasing technology and scientific minds would finally answer all the questions we have about the universe.
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Science and Secular have their own way of explaining things. I believe in both spectra because Science concerns mostly with the natural while Secular in the supernatural. Science explains things based on facts and rational thinking while Secular is based on our individual beliefs, whatever our religion is. But the important is through Science, we can make a reason why something happened while Secular can explain how supernatural things happened (through Bible). They both want to provide an answer to understand the world.
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AntonelaMaria wrote: 01 Mar 2021, 07:10 This book gives information about the origins of the cosmos and human destiny. The authors give arguments that there shouldn't be a reason for the separation of two approaches to those subjects.
On which side of the spectrum do you fall; scientific or secular? Did this book do a good job of convincing you otherwise? Can those two ideas coexist together?
I don't think any book can truly make an exhaustive case for the mutual coherence of the two approaches. All I can say at the most is that both approaches have some solid points that I believe will be part of the truth as a whole about human life, origin, and meaning.
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I grew up believing a literal interpretation of the Bible. Then I heard about the theory that each creation day could actually be an era. I began to see that science did not necessarily contradict the Bible. Our understanding is limited, and as we learn more, we see that scientific evidence actually moves us closer to Biblical truth. So, I side with the Bible, but I don't believe science always contradicts it.
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I am a firm believer in science, thus I have to admit I approached this book cautiously. I found it enjoyable in the end but from here to say that the book changed my mind on the larger scale, I would definitely say no. I see that there are attempts at reconciling these two views, but I think it is a very hard and difficult task, not fully convincing so far.
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This book did a good job of convincing me that scientific and secular perspectives can coexist together. I tend to fall on the science of science, and this book only managed to make my question my perspective on some things. I don't think opposing views from perspectives can be reconciled for everything (as of right now), but this book does a good job of making the argument for a couple of key points.
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