Has the God deceived us?

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Sushan wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 00:24 The author explains, quoting some of the historical scholars, that actually the earth is not old as the scientists claim. He suggests that the God has created it in several thousand years (a 'day' in God's creation is taken as a 'thousand years'), but has made it to look like billions of years old, with the old stones, fossils, rings on the tree trunks, etc. The author compares this with making a newly made Denim trousers to look old by fading its colour and ripping it.
God created a theoretical timeline of all of existence, starting from the Big Bang and spanning billions of years. In this theoretical timeline, stars were born and died, dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and different human-like creatures came and went. Then, at a very specific point in this timeline, God took a snapshot of the entire universe, exactly as it would look at that moment, and that’s what He created. In other words, God brought a world billions of years old into existence fewer than 6,000 years ago.
Do you think this is true? If so, has the God deceived us? But why? On the other hand, has science got it all wrong despite hundreds of years of studies?
God is God. He is all-knowing. If he deceived us, it is for a reason. I believe we were created. Perhaps the author is right about the world being billions of years old. It doesn't really matter because I believe the information God provides us with in the Bible is what we need.
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Science is reliable when it comes to certain topics but will never ultimately give all the answers as to how the universe came to be. The methods used by scientists to date fossils and other ancient materials will only be as accurate as long as we believe them. On the other hand, an idea is not responsible for the people who believe in it and it is possible that the earth is not even a million years old.
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Well this is a tough one but God is divine, He has no time for deceiving us, He may have created a huge puzzle and hence it is was obligation to solve it not resolving to the extreme that God deceived us.
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I don't think that God has any reason to lie or deceive His own. I think there is a mix up here, and things about God, creation and science can be Mysterious. To the best of my knowledge the earth existed before any Scientist and God's ways are not man's way.
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It seems highly improbable to me that the universe was created 6,000 years ago. God as the great deceiver goes against everything he stands for, so I don't believe in a deceiver God. Science is developing knowledge, not a point in time of established truth, and like experts in a court case, you can always find or buy opposing views. It's good that we don't know everything, there are still astonishing facts to learn.
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Sushan wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 00:24 The author explains, quoting some of the historical scholars, that actually the earth is not old as the scientists claim. He suggests that the God has created it in several thousand years (a 'day' in God's creation is taken as a 'thousand years'), but has made it to look like billions of years old, with the old stones, fossils, rings on the tree trunks, etc. The author compares this with making a newly made Denim trousers to look old by fading its colour and ripping it.
God created a theoretical timeline of all of existence, starting from the Big Bang and spanning billions of years. In this theoretical timeline, stars were born and died, dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and different human-like creatures came and went. Then, at a very specific point in this timeline, God took a snapshot of the entire universe, exactly as it would look at that moment, and that’s what He created. In other words, God brought a world billions of years old into existence fewer than 6,000 years ago.
Do you think this is true? If so, has the God deceived us? But why? On the other hand, has science got it all wrong despite hundreds of years of studies?
I don't think this is true.
God created the universe and all other actions that followed are the consequences of the deeds of different objects in the universe or the living beings.
Years of scientific research is also not wrong. But after all I believe no one is above God. And he did not at all deceive us.
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This question had me stopped in my track. God is an abstract concept, according to me. We all want to have hope and faith in our life, thus we all try to pin it on something or someone. More than once, we get deceived or betrayed which causes our own faith system to be destroyed and devastated. Thus, the abstract concept of God emerges and steps into the arena. The concept of being abstract without any tangible existence in this world doesn't help or harm us, instead, it gives us hope and helps in form of mental support. That's what God is for me.

So, how can an abstract concept deceive us? It is we who deceive ourselves, so it is we who deceived us.
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Kelyn wrote: 25 Mar 2021, 11:51 No, I don't believe our creator has deliberately lied to us unless it is through a lie of omission. I do believe that their concept of 'time' is profoundly different from ours, if, indeed, they even have a concept of time. Remember that MEN wrote the bible. They were tasked with putting into words we could understand a timelime they themselves would have struggled with. I think that's where the 'disconnect' occured, not through a deliberate lie but through the limited knowledge and understanding of men. Thus, we find artifacts that seem contradictory. The creator's 'timeline' and that of mankind simply do not 'mesh' with one another.
I agree with you here that there might have been a disconnect between what God intended to communicate and how far human language could stretch to convey the intended message. God's timeline is a mystery. For instance, the second coming of Jesus that has been stated to be SOON. If it were mankind's, it could have happened a long time ago. But that's why God is God. Some things are just beyond human understanding.
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Sushan wrote: 02 Mar 2021, 00:24 The author explains, quoting some of the historical scholars, that actually the earth is not old as the scientists claim. He suggests that the God has created it in several thousand years (a 'day' in God's creation is taken as a 'thousand years'), but has made it to look like billions of years old, with the old stones, fossils, rings on the tree trunks, etc. The author compares this with making a newly made Denim trousers to look old by fading its colour and ripping it.
God created a theoretical timeline of all of existence, starting from the Big Bang and spanning billions of years. In this theoretical timeline, stars were born and died, dinosaurs roamed the Earth, and different human-like creatures came and went. Then, at a very specific point in this timeline, God took a snapshot of the entire universe, exactly as it would look at that moment, and that’s what He created. In other words, God brought a world billions of years old into existence fewer than 6,000 years ago.
Do you think this is true? If so, has the God deceived us? But why? On the other hand, has science got it all wrong despite hundreds of years of studies?
I believe God never deceived us, and I find the author's opinion about God's theoretical timeline before actual creation had to grasp. The age of God's creation is just the way He says it is, and it could only be that His timeline differs from ours, hence the difficulty in understanding it.
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Whether to believe in God or science is a binary choice as the two schools of thought tend to contradict. I personally believe in science since it can be backed up by evidence, unlike religion where inquisitiveness is discouraged.
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I don't think God will ever deceive us. I think He has kept somethings hidden (in plain sight) because we don't really need to know everything now do we? I also think God's wonders will never end and scientists will keep discovering things from various angles. With that said, I don't think scientists have gotten it wrong, they just discover things in bits and pieces that's all.
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God is incapable of lying. He has absolutely no reason to deceive humanity. I believe the earth is as old as scientists say. It is just hard for us to reconcile that knowledge with what we have been told as the creation story from Genesis. But the most important thing, in my opinion, is that God is the creator.
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I don't think this is true do not believe God deceives his people. God has provided us with life, and how we perceive it, is totally us to think that God caused the Big Bang and the events that followed were a part of His plan. For the author's arguments and speculations to be true, either of these things should have happened; either God should have deceived us or the science has got all wrong.
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God did not deceive us. We tend to use the scripture that says that a day is like a thousand years in the sight of God. That is in His sight, not in reality. The earth has been in existence before science even discovered it.
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I don't believe anyone really knows the answers to these things. Our curiosity as humans would always lead us to find explanations for complex inexplicable things. In the end, we can only make informed guesses. So no, I don't think God deceived us.
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