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Thank you for your kind words, @InStoree. I'm glad I was able to do justice to an amazing book. I hope, later on, the author releases it as an ebook or paperback, too, because not everyone likes audiobooks.InStoree wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 00:02 What an exceptional review! This is a book that should interest most of us as we quickly dive toward a technological, futuristic era, and the author seems to share some helpful pointers that could easier the human path in transit and progress time. I'm impressed by the arguments you brought. I hope the book comes in e-book form too.
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I guess not even human doctors fix themselves. And, at least in my country, they're not supposed to treat family or friends in order not to lose objectivity. But I don't know. I'll wait to see what @Mounce574 has to say.InStoree wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 00:06Well-said, @Mounce574! I agree, but what will the situation be when the technology can fix by itself, same as human-doctors who fix our bodies when we are damaged?Lunastella wrote: ↑07 Jan 2021, 11:59Wow, that's very true. Thank you for your insight!Mounce574 wrote: ↑06 Jan 2021, 15:35 I think I can answer your question about AI not being a threat to people in the workforce. AI is only as smart as the person that controls it. When I worked in a warehouse, the robots ran on algorithims and if they encountered an error (in this case a piece of the dye mold broke) then it shut down completely. A human being had to find where the error was, fix the issue, remove the metal, reset the algorithm and until a perfect piece came out, repeat the entire process again. Amazon has mturk for microjobs that require human involvement. People are always going to be essential because once technology fails, it cannot fix itself.
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If technology could fix itself, then the creator of technology would have to be able to predict any issues that could cause it to fail. Again, that all falls on to human being. There are times when to fix something, it has to be taken apart as well. If taken apart, then technology ceaeses to exist in how it functions- so ultimately it ceases to exist. That would be AI commiting suicide.
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When I said "doctor" I was referring to the human ability to treat or repair our bodies when a "working piece" (for example, the heart) of our body breaks down, gets sick, or needs to be replaced (transplant.) Artificial Intelligence is based on similarities of human intelligence and one of its purposes is to make our work easier, simplify life. As man created technology inspired by the functionality of human intelligence, he can also create a machine that is based on the functionality of self-fixing again inspired by man's ability to self-heal and insert a "doctor" feature which can detect and fix the damage. Even move, the man can create a "doctor-machine" that can drive itself through the warehouse to find and change the defective part by interconnecting all the machines, and so it will receive an alert-fixing-signal. I think it's still unknown if a machine can think. I am not sure if this exists at the moment, but I am sure that man has an excellent ability to invent things and that what seems impossible in the present may be possible in the future. So, is there a possibility of threatening to be completely removed man from the workforce in the far-distant future?Mounce574 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 14:18 Doctors are not in the business of fixing us, maintaining is more accurate. No doctor wants everyone healthy because then people wouldn't be paying to see them.
If technology could fix itself, then the creator of technology would have to be able to predict any issues that could cause it to fail. Again, that all falls on to human being. There are times when to fix something, it has to be taken apart as well. If taken apart, then technology ceaeses to exist in how it functions- so ultimately it ceases to exist. That would be AI commiting suicide.
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Machines in the warehouses of Whirlpool and Amazon do think. When I logged into the computer with my number, the robots started bringing forward bins where I quality checked assigned bins on the cart and made sure the inventory count was correct. When I was done I pushed a button and the robot would leave. At any one time there were 6 to 7 robots at all stations (this was in 2020). Where the robots were taking the finished items and why they chose each inventory counter I can't answer but they were programmed to take specific items to certain agents. If the count was off I would have to error the bin. The bins stacked 12 high and 5 deep on each robot but it only presented the front to me. Then off it would go so at one point it knew that it needed to turn and have random counts done on the other faces. At Whirlpool they picked up a piece of metal and placed it in a die ( a mold that cut metal in patternd). There were 7 of them in a row. All 7 presses would hit. Then it would take the piece and pass it to the next press. All 7 would hit again. 1 piece of metal would be pressed 7 times then a person had to load the finished piece on a cart. These malfunctioned a lot and were a pain because the robots wanted to keep passing pieces non stop and would jam up and cause a lot of scrap metal. When I was in the military I watched robots running through the buildings and didn't have a clue as to what they were doing. All of these things require a human interaction: creater, opetator to tell it what to do, and the receiver that wants the finished product. Eliminating any of those 3 people and technology is no more useful than a heap of junk lacking a purpose.InStoree wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 00:02When I said "doctor" I was referring to the human ability to treat or repair our bodies when a "working piece" (for example, the heart) of our body breaks down, gets sick, or needs to be replaced (transplant.) Artificial Intelligence is based on similarities of human intelligence and one of its purposes is to make our work easier, simplify life. As man created technology inspired by the functionality of human intelligence, he can also create a machine that is based on the functionality of self-fixing again inspired by man's ability to self-heal and insert a "doctor" feature which can detect and fix the damage. Even move, the man can create a "doctor-machine" that can drive itself through the warehouse to find and change the defective part by interconnecting all the machines, and so it will receive an alert-fixing-signal. I think it's still unknown if a machine can think. I am not sure if this exists at the moment, but I am sure that man has an excellent ability to invent things and that what seems impossible in the present may be possible in the future. So, is there a possibility of threatening to be completely removed man from the workforce in the far-distant future?Mounce574 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 14:18 Doctors are not in the business of fixing us, maintaining is more accurate. No doctor wants everyone healthy because then people wouldn't be paying to see them.
If technology could fix itself, then the creator of technology would have to be able to predict any issues that could cause it to fail. Again, that all falls on to human being. There are times when to fix something, it has to be taken apart as well. If taken apart, then technology ceaeses to exist in how it functions- so ultimately it ceases to exist. That would be AI commiting suicide.
The only way AI could eliminate human contact is of a brain was transplanted into the robot. But then that is a human mind in a metal container. People know what other people want. The robots just make some of the work easier but do not function in the capacity beyond repeating the same movements over and over.
*I know what the Amazon robots were doing but I signed a nondisclosure so I can't go into further detail. They used AI but not like what we are discussing*
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Thanks for sharing, @Mounce574!Mounce574 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 04:24Machines in the warehouses of Whirlpool and Amazon do think. When I logged into the computer with my number, the robots started bringing forward bins where I quality checked assigned bins on the cart and made sure the inventory count was correct. When I was done I pushed a button and the robot would leave. At any one time there were 6 to 7 robots at all stations (this was in 2020). Where the robots were taking the finished items and why they chose each inventory counter I can't answer but they were programmed to take specific items to certain agents. If the count was off I would have to error the bin. The bins stacked 12 high and 5 deep on each robot but it only presented the front to me. Then off it would go so at one point it knew that it needed to turn and have random counts done on the other faces. At Whirlpool they picked up a piece of metal and placed it in a die ( a mold that cut metal in patternd). There were 7 of them in a row. All 7 presses would hit. Then it would take the piece and pass it to the next press. All 7 would hit again. 1 piece of metal would be pressed 7 times then a person had to load the finished piece on a cart. These malfunctioned a lot and were a pain because the robots wanted to keep passing pieces non stop and would jam up and cause a lot of scrap metal. When I was in the military I watched robots running through the buildings and didn't have a clue as to what they were doing. All of these things require a human interaction: creater, opetator to tell it what to do, and the receiver that wants the finished product. Eliminating any of those 3 people and technology is no more useful than a heap of junk lacking a purpose.InStoree wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 00:02When I said "doctor" I was referring to the human ability to treat or repair our bodies when a "working piece" (for example, the heart) of our body breaks down, gets sick, or needs to be replaced (transplant.) Artificial Intelligence is based on similarities of human intelligence and one of its purposes is to make our work easier, simplify life. As man created technology inspired by the functionality of human intelligence, he can also create a machine that is based on the functionality of self-fixing again inspired by man's ability to self-heal and insert a "doctor" feature which can detect and fix the damage. Even move, the man can create a "doctor-machine" that can drive itself through the warehouse to find and change the defective part by interconnecting all the machines, and so it will receive an alert-fixing-signal. I think it's still unknown if a machine can think. I am not sure if this exists at the moment, but I am sure that man has an excellent ability to invent things and that what seems impossible in the present may be possible in the future. So, is there a possibility of threatening to be completely removed man from the workforce in the far-distant future?Mounce574 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 14:18 Doctors are not in the business of fixing us, maintaining is more accurate. No doctor wants everyone healthy because then people wouldn't be paying to see them.
If technology could fix itself, then the creator of technology would have to be able to predict any issues that could cause it to fail. Again, that all falls on to human being. There are times when to fix something, it has to be taken apart as well. If taken apart, then technology ceaeses to exist in how it functions- so ultimately it ceases to exist. That would be AI commiting suicide.
The only way AI could eliminate human contact is of a brain was transplanted into the robot. But then that is a human mind in a metal container. People know what other people want. The robots just make some of the work easier but do not function in the capacity beyond repeating the same movements over and over.
*I know what the Amazon robots were doing but I signed a nondisclosure so I can't go into further detail. They used AI but not like what we are discussing*
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Wow! That was interesting. Thank you! What I wonder is what will happen with jobs that are entirely replaceable, like cashiers at stores or drivers. Or jobs entirely irreplaceable like writers. What is their place in this futuristic world?Mounce574 wrote: ↑15 Jan 2021, 04:24Machines in the warehouses of Whirlpool and Amazon do think. When I logged into the computer with my number, the robots started bringing forward bins where I quality checked assigned bins on the cart and made sure the inventory count was correct. When I was done I pushed a button and the robot would leave. At any one time there were 6 to 7 robots at all stations (this was in 2020). Where the robots were taking the finished items and why they chose each inventory counter I can't answer but they were programmed to take specific items to certain agents. If the count was off I would have to error the bin. The bins stacked 12 high and 5 deep on each robot but it only presented the front to me. Then off it would go so at one point it knew that it needed to turn and have random counts done on the other faces. At Whirlpool they picked up a piece of metal and placed it in a die ( a mold that cut metal in patternd). There were 7 of them in a row. All 7 presses would hit. Then it would take the piece and pass it to the next press. All 7 would hit again. 1 piece of metal would be pressed 7 times then a person had to load the finished piece on a cart. These malfunctioned a lot and were a pain because the robots wanted to keep passing pieces non stop and would jam up and cause a lot of scrap metal. When I was in the military I watched robots running through the buildings and didn't have a clue as to what they were doing. All of these things require a human interaction: creater, opetator to tell it what to do, and the receiver that wants the finished product. Eliminating any of those 3 people and technology is no more useful than a heap of junk lacking a purpose.InStoree wrote: ↑14 Jan 2021, 00:02When I said "doctor" I was referring to the human ability to treat or repair our bodies when a "working piece" (for example, the heart) of our body breaks down, gets sick, or needs to be replaced (transplant.) Artificial Intelligence is based on similarities of human intelligence and one of its purposes is to make our work easier, simplify life. As man created technology inspired by the functionality of human intelligence, he can also create a machine that is based on the functionality of self-fixing again inspired by man's ability to self-heal and insert a "doctor" feature which can detect and fix the damage. Even move, the man can create a "doctor-machine" that can drive itself through the warehouse to find and change the defective part by interconnecting all the machines, and so it will receive an alert-fixing-signal. I think it's still unknown if a machine can think. I am not sure if this exists at the moment, but I am sure that man has an excellent ability to invent things and that what seems impossible in the present may be possible in the future. So, is there a possibility of threatening to be completely removed man from the workforce in the far-distant future?Mounce574 wrote: ↑13 Jan 2021, 14:18 Doctors are not in the business of fixing us, maintaining is more accurate. No doctor wants everyone healthy because then people wouldn't be paying to see them.
If technology could fix itself, then the creator of technology would have to be able to predict any issues that could cause it to fail. Again, that all falls on to human being. There are times when to fix something, it has to be taken apart as well. If taken apart, then technology ceaeses to exist in how it functions- so ultimately it ceases to exist. That would be AI commiting suicide.
The only way AI could eliminate human contact is of a brain was transplanted into the robot. But then that is a human mind in a metal container. People know what other people want. The robots just make some of the work easier but do not function in the capacity beyond repeating the same movements over and over.
*I know what the Amazon robots were doing but I signed a nondisclosure so I can't go into further detail. They used AI but not like what we are discussing*
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