Sex and time are non-refundable, aren't they?

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I agree that sex and time are nonrefunable because Zia investing time and energy into the relationship which she can't get back or take her actions back. Those poor ladies paid the ultimate price for by loosing their lives. What is done cannot be undone.
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Katie Canedy wrote: 08 Aug 2021, 15:51 I definitely think that sex and time are non-refundable. Zia fell for Bax and ended up giving herself to him, even though she was fully ready to spend the rest of her life with Bryce. She spent all of that time with Bax that she will never be able to take back, and she will never be able to take back what she gave to him. The same can be said for the real world too. Many times, we as humans think that we know and love a person, only to find out that they were not who they say they were. Even though a person cannot get a refund on sex and time, they can move forward by making better choices when put into life-changing situations.
I partially agree. Yes, Zia gave herself fully to Bax to be used and entertained over despite having Bryce who truly loved her. It is true that the time she spent with Bax cannot be re-gained. But what did she actually lost sexually? At the end she was forgiven by Bryce and seemingly she has lost only her time which could have been spent for Bryce.
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Time and sex are not refundable. Any time wasted cannot be regained. Same as sex. In the case of this book, Zia's case is a typical illustration of the quote. The time Zia spent on Bryce cannot be refunded and same as the sex they had. A lesson I learnt from the book.
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review-specialist wrote: 08 Aug 2021, 20:35 Indeed, sex and time are non-refundable because Zia along with the other ladies who fell for the psychopath's intentions could not undo the pain. What's done is done and sadly, lives were taken away to pay such price.
Yes, indeed. Zia was lucky enough to be alive, and even more, she was lucky enough to be forgiven by her lover. So her time was wasted, her pain could not be turned back, but she was alive. But the other victims of the killer simply proved that both time and sex are non-refundable.
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I think the author has shown lust and sex in a really dark tone . The author while describing any sexual scene makes it sound wrong and unethical. Sex is a part of life and should be treated as such . The author tries to show that lust is the origin of all evil and anyone who fails prey to it will die.
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Michaeljerry309 wrote: 10 Aug 2021, 00:28 I agree with the statement 100%
everyone knows that time waits for no man
sex on the other hand time to engage in and equally equates to giving a piece of ones self to another and it can’t be taken back once given.

in my opinion the quote makes it feel like the author didn’t support Zia’s attitude to sex
I too do not think Zia's attitude towards sex was supported by the author. And that is similar to those ladies who followed their sexual desires and ultimately ended up dying.

I can't disagree with what you told about time. Yes, time awaits for no man. But when you encounter sexually with someone, do you really loose something forever. Zia gave her body to Baxter. But she was forgiven and came back to Bryce. Seemingly sex was refunded to her though the lost time was not refunded.
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Obioma CM wrote: 10 Aug 2021, 22:53 I would agree in totality here that time I not refundable. It is a general feeling everywhere. We also saw the victims regrettably realize this when it is too late. Then, I would agree partially with you that sex once given is also not refundable. How did the author relate these to the story? The pitiful death of the young girls proves much and sadly I believe Zia must have felt that way too.
Well, the non-refundable nature of time is obvious, as you mentioned. When we try to apply the same thing to sex it is a bit tricky. All the dead girls gave their bodies to the killer and he took them forever. So sex was non-refundable for them. Luckily Zia could come back to Bryce with her life intact, but as not as fresh when she met Bryce for the first time, and was lucky enough to be forgiven by him. So for her it was partially refundable.
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eggnog wrote: 11 Aug 2021, 04:00 Sex isn't a currency in my perspective, so I don't agree with it being nonrefundable. But I do get where she's coming from, I understand how she felt that time.

Time, however, is the greatest currency humans take for granted. So yes, it is a premium nonrefundable currency.
I agree partially. Yes you are correct when you say sex is not a currency. So it cannot be measured and there is nothing called refunding of you are not giving it away. But I think the word 'sex' is used here not only to talk about the physical aspect of sexual intercourse. It has lot other feelings and emotions, and also social issues and taboos. What became non-refundable in Zia's case was not her body (given that she is not a vergin), but the social taboo that she gained and loosing the respect of the man that she loved.
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Viczboy16 wrote: 11 Aug 2021, 04:32 I agree that sex and time are both non-refundable. After sexual intercourse, one cannot return the pleasure gotten and cannot turn back the hands of time. time lost cannot be regained. In the story, the killer lures girls to sex and kills them, if time was refundable, they would turn back the hands of time and save themselves from death. This is my opinion on the saying that sex and time are non-refundable
You definitely have a point there. Yes, the pleasure is non-refundable. But if it was pleasure that you received, what is the need to refund that. I don't see any harm when we only consier pleasure. Zia could please herself and there was no harm in that. And that was same for the girls who are now dead as well. They received the pleasure, and there was no need to refund it. They regretted only when they came to know that there time was up and the pleasure that they received will be the last in their lifetime.
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Indeed, they're both non refundable. Time is fluid, and sex is something that can't be undone or substituted with something that's equal to it. This is portrayed with the victims in the book.
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Muna Chizzy wrote: 12 Aug 2021, 19:32 I agree that sex and time are non refundable. When Zia realized who Bax truly is, she felt disgusted with herself and knew she couldn't undo her actions or rewind the hands of clock. I'm glad she made things up with Bryce rather than beating herself up for her mistakes.
Yes, her regret shows that none of the things that she gave to Baxter were refundable, her time or her body. But it was not up to her to make any amendments with Bryce since, as I see, the fault was totally Zia's. Though she felt neglected Bryce actually loved and cared for her. So it was Bryce who actually lost some precious, non-refundable time with Zia, but his heart was big enough to forgive her and let the bygone be gone.
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collinsogw555 wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 09:17 I fully agree with the author that time is non-refundable because there is an adage that says 'you can't eat your cake and have it back. Once time is spent it cannot be gotten back.

While that of sex, I partially agree with the author on that because once sex has been given I believe it can be reproduced the same way as before.
For the first part of your comment, I fully agree. You cannot get the cake that you already eaten back.

But for the second part, in Zia's case we have to wait and see whether her sexual experiences with Baxter are reproduced with Bryce in same manner. And I do not think the author intended to mean the ability to reproduce the action, but the irreversible regret that Zia got when she knew who Baxter was, and also about cheating her true lover for a person like Baxter. And that emotions, feelings, and thoughts are definitely non-refundable.
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Natalie Deer wrote: 15 Aug 2021, 15:13 Yes that's rite at times when you meet a person you will feel like love is lifting you off the earth, but when you find out what's in that persons heart it will never be the same. Zia is not just for the sex but she's searching for a passionate person but he wasn't real after all. It's like giving away a present 🙍.
I do not think she would have given away her body and soul to Baxter if she knew she was seeing an illusion. Either she believed in him or she was blinded by lust so she gave both her time as well as sex (her body) to him. After knowing the truth I don't think she felt of it as giving away a present, and could wait without thinking of what she lost anymore.
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Katie Blackmore wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 05:52 I agree that sex and time are nonrefunable because Zia investing time and energy into the relationship which she can't get back or take her actions back. Those poor ladies paid the ultimate price for by loosing their lives. What is done cannot be undone.
People invest in something expecting something in return. Zia invested her time in Baxter to satisfy her sexual needs. The other ladies too invested their time and trust in him as they too wanted to feel sexually desired and to meet their sexual needs. Unfortunately they made the ultimate sacrifice proving that both sex and time are non-refundable. Even for Zia, though her life was luckily not taken away, and though Bryce forgave her, her life wonbe the same anymore, because everything that she invested on Baxter are non-refundable.
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Yes, time and sex are non-refundable. Time is unidirectional and we can't have it back. Similarly, once you have had sex with someone you can't undo it. Zia can't change the fact that she slept with Baxter. She can't "refund" her sexual relation with Baxter and pretend that it never happened.
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