I agree it makes the speech much more authentic and the story more relatable, but I don't think it's congruent to complain about slurs (which is perfectly understandable) but use a hurtful term in, practically, the same sentence.Elendu Divine-Treasure wrote: ↑30 Apr 2022, 18:21 I found the racial slurs quite annoying, but it made the book more relatable.
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I get what you mean. But I don't think that's the case. The story of the word "redneck" as an offensive term has been well documented, not only in dictionaries but in sociology and history papers. See, for example, how Merriam-Webster lists it: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redneckAbby Smith 5 wrote: ↑04 May 2022, 09:08 I think it could be attributed to the social climate of the time. I also think you have to look at the word and it’s history and context. I’ve never know redneck to be derogatory. Unfortunately, people associate different means and emotions to words, regardless of their intentions.
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Exactly. Before saying or doing something potentially harmful, I always try to ask myself how would I like it if it was said or done to me. It's what's called in Christianity "the golden rule." But many religions have this same precept, and even if one's not religious, it's just common sense.
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Thank you! It's very enriching to get an insight from someone who actually lived through that period. Most of us are making educated guesses. Now I wonder if you think it's congruent with the rest of the narrative or not.Cheryl Erickson wrote: ↑05 May 2022, 12:16 I believe the author's use of language clearly reflects the time period. In the days of Vietnam, people were not thinking about being politically correct when speaking. I grew up in the same social climate, where people consistently used all sorts of racial slurs and derogatory terms, and they were not called out on it. Times have surely changed, and people have become more sensitive to the language that they use.
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Of course, I understand they're essential to the plot. I just think there should be a small paragraph or a little disclaimer explaining that, in hindsight, the author understands that using derogatory terms is harmful, no matter the race or the situation.
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I definitely agree.Lunastella wrote: ↑03 Mar 2022, 14:21I believe it might be an issue of the degree of violence. As far as I investigated, it is indeed a derogatory term, although some folks have reclaimed it and are using it in a different way. It was intended to be offensive and to describe poor white people, specially the ones living in the South, but also even Communists. However, the degree of violence that a verbal insult implies can't be compared with the immense suffering associated with the N-word.Macha Mphela wrote: ↑03 Mar 2022, 04:33 Prejudice and what people consider racial slurs are a tough subject to navigate. On one hand, "redneck" may be considered derogatory, but on the other, it may not because there's no history of the word being violently used against a group of people. For instance, a white man calling a black man "boy" can be seen as micro-aggressive whilst a black man saying it to a white man may be seen as nothing more than what it is. The former reaction has history backing it up.
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If you study the Bible, you need to consider the same ideas about context. Some thing written there can come off very offensively, but the context needs to be considered: Who is being addressed? What's the atmosphere of the culture? etc.
I hate that authors do a great deal of research to make their pieces well written to have to worry and dodge vocabulary in order to not offend someone accidentally. I absolutely do not condone slavery or the words associated with it; I'm simply stating that events happened and are true, and if an author is trying to keep that setting true in his writing, he needs to use the correct vocabulary. That doesn't make him a racist or judgmental.