Working *just* for money.

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I definitely see where you're coming from. At the end of the day, every job I've ever had has just been a means to end - a way to survive. I do, however, think that it is fair for an employer to value the concept of an employee who is motivated by more than just money, and I think it is likely that employees who are truly passionate about what they do are likely to work harder, do more, and do better than their peers.

I don't think it is likely that any business owner will find even one employee who truly doesn't care about the money. At the end of the day, we all have bills after all. Perhaps a better message would be to encourage people to find jobs that are more than simply a paycheck. Sure, the paycheck is important, but if you can also feel passion for the work you do you will probably be happier and more successful. Finding a way to earn a paycheck that you can be excited about seems like a good goal.
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While I understand the fact that it would be good for people to work a job they truly enjoy, it simply isn't something that is possible for everyone. Some people truly have to work a job purely for survival due to economic circumstances.
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Basically we work to earn, but I do my job not just for the money; because the pay isn't much. I do my job at my office because I enjoy solving problems. Therefore I would agree to some level with the author.
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Post by Cheryl Erickson »

I have always had to work for money to support myself and then my family. I have had some jobs that also bring me joy and fulfillment. But overall, I have had to work to pay the bills and provide shelter and food for my family. I am passionate about my volunteer positions and about other things that I choose to do.
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I absolutely agree about the privilege comment. Most people do not have the luxury to take money out of the equation and work for pleasure. For most, it's a necessity.
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In today's world, I think that is a statement used to lie to people. If you are the cog in a wheel of a big company, they will not consider you irreplaceable even if you love what you do. I find the purest and most efficient relationship you can have with your company is if they pay you what you are worth and you do the job you are paid for. Loving what you do and having a passion for the job is purely a bonus.
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Both privileged individuals and those content with their current situation may share the same sentiment. But for someone whose main priority is providing for their family, refusing a job they do not enjoy may not be an option.
However, there are also individuals who have left well-paying white-collar jobs to dedicate their lives to sharing their knowledge for the greater good. These people are often considered semi-saints by the groups they serve, as they have chosen to follow their higher calling.
So, a generalized statement, either way, is incorrect.
If you love your job, you will give it your best. But, even if you have accepted a job "just" for the money, be sure you do it with all honesty it demands.
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In an ideal world, your job would reflect your aspirations and make you feel happy on a daily basis. However, many life circumstances force you to accept a job merely to support your family and pay the bills. I think it is very important to ponder on your options and find the job that gives you joy and is also financially rewarding.
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This has always been my motto in life; love what you do and do what you love. However, I do realise that in the real world, this is not always the case.

Understandably, we are not all privileged to find jobs that we are passionate about. In this case, I believe the author means that if we have more altruistic reasons for working, we would become more proficient at our jobs and give our best every day.
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I think it's working for brighter future of our family especially our children and their children too...
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An employer or boss that is more concerned about the employee's salary and not what makes the employee happy or motivation for the reason that is most important to the individual employee to work has lost touch with connecting on a deeper personal level to better understand what a diverse environment with inclusion really means.
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Post by Nzube Chizoba Okeke »

The keyword in this conversation is "just." If you look at it from that word, I don't believe the author is speaking from a place of privilege. It's okay to work for the money. However, there has to be something more that keeps you on the job. If you work "just" for the money, it will weary you.
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Dalia Chf wrote: 25 Jun 2023, 05:55 I completely agree! These kind of points of view are heavily influenced by someone’s privilege in life.

I also think it depends on the kind of job someone has. If someone works for something they believe in with their whole heart, I believe they are working for more than money. But honestly, money is always the number one reason why people work, rich or poor both.

I bet if you ask anyone if they would work if they didn’t HAVE TO, they would all answer no.
I get the point you're making. However, it's not always about privilege. It's a mindset. Take what we do here on OBC. If we never enjoyed reading books and sharing our views with authors, it might be frustrating, especially when you do reviews that takes you through hoops. It isn't always about the money all the time.
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Cristina Chifane wrote: 03 Aug 2023, 07:40 In an ideal world, your job would reflect your aspirations and make you feel happy on a daily basis. However, many life circumstances force you to accept a job merely to support your family and pay the bills. I think it is very important to ponder on your options and find the job that gives you joy and is also financially rewarding.
This is a balanced take on the conversation. I agree completely with you.
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Judging a person’s decision is biases. Every individual knows his circumstances, requirements, and responsibilities, and on this basis he or she must make a decision whether to do what he or she likes or accept something as it is. But what I can comment on is someone’s desire to do what he or she loves at the expense of those who rely on him or her on the pretext that he has a dream or an interest that has changed.
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