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I would say that it is a bit selfish, just because victory is kinda glorifying yourself.

They are both selfish for being craving the victory, but not in a bad way. She wants and feels the need for success. I think due to the society she was born in, she takes all the emotions to the max, due to a crave to feel like one of them.

I don't think I would forgive them. I mean they betrayed Tris badly and all because her score was higher than theirs. It's not her fault that they aren't as talented as her. As for if craving victory is selfish or brave of Tris, I think it's both. I mean you have to be brave to be able to strive for victory and then grab it as it becomes in reach. However you are also selfish because if you rise up in the ranks someone else will take the fall. Someone who normally wouldn't but does because you rose up. But in that case everyone would be selfish because everyone wants to win.

I think it was very brave of Tris to crave victory. The initiation for Dauntless was hardcore and beyond tough, and if you were the top you better keep looking over your shoulder (Edward). In knowing that, Tris still wanted to try her best to be at the top and succeed in the Dauntless lifestyle. If I were her friend however I would be very jealous. I mean if she is above me, that means I am even closer to the bottom. Would I shove her into the chasm? No. But I would be kind of mad at her.

It is brave for Tris to crave victory. It's her wanting something she's never been able to have, it's uncharted territory for her.

It is not selfish to crave victory, it is selfish to crave attention. In Tris's case, victory was hardly about selfishness, in fact it was the opposite. That was pretty much the point of the book, in order for Tris to become ranked highly in initiation and not be expelled to the factionless, she had to be brave, which required selflessness.

I think that craving personal victory for one's own gain is more selfish than it is brave, as she is trying to help only herself.

Wanting victory isn't selfish; it's human. I've never played a game or sport with anyone who was planning to lose. If Tris was ready to resign to defeat, she would not have made it through the Dauntless initiation because that certainly required victory. There is probably an argument that those in Abnegation would not crave victory, but I would rebut that they would want victory and then suppress that desire as individually selfish and not express it. Simply hiding an emotion does not stop an individual from feeling it. In addition, that is likely why Dauntless is a more compatible fit for the character. That faction is the one that has the most normal human emotions, and the one readers can relate to the best.

Though it did seem a bit selfish, I think Tris made the right decision. It's natural that her friends felt jealous when she ranked above them, and I also think she made the right decision forgiving them.

If its selfish to crave victory then the entire human race is selfish. I believe, like with everything, it depends on the circumstances.

I think when it came to Capture the Flag, it was a little selfish to want the victory on top of coming up with the plan. Sure she was entitled to it, but if Christina was her friend shouldn't she have wanted to share the wealth? I think Tris was in the right to be a little unnerved that her friends were acting strange towards her when she was on top. She wasn't doing anything to directly get them kicked out of Dauntless, half the time she really wasn't sure of herself and was surprised at the results. I'm sure the fear of being factionless played a part in their jealousy and I'm guessing that was part of the reason Tris was able to forgive them and remember that they were her friends.

I suppose it could be considered selfish, but it just shows how strong of a woman she is, and what an interesting character. Maybe this is just the feminist in me talking, but I am not sure if this same question would be asked if Tris was a male character, who a lot of time seek victory without it being questioned, almost as if it were an inherit male trait.

I think it's a bit of both. In most cases, no one ever wants to, or takes pride in losing. No one wants to be a part of the losing side. How many movies are there out there that revolve around that kind of thing? As it is though, I think it's also incredibly brave of her. To face her fears and to take that kind of weight on her shoulders. True it may be selfish but with the burden she bore, I think it becomes more than just that.

It could be a little bit of both. Considering the conditions that Tris lives in, she has to prove herself worthy of the faction, which would include beating her competitors. The fact that she works so hard to stay a part of the Dauntless faction makes her brave. Tris was never allowed to be selfish in her old faction, which probably made her want to think of herself more when she changed. I don't think the other people of Dauntless have a right to be jealous of her when they want the same things. It seems like if they want it just as much, they should work harder.

I think that it was a bit selfish but that is where is belonged.