Could you forgive a Nazi?
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Re: Could you forgive a Nazi?
The easy answer is yes, if the person was truly sorry. The correct answer is that forgiving does as much for me as it does for the forgiven one.
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As for forgiving a Nazi - something about the book that I found interesting was that Sage did not even know her grandmother was a Holocaust survivor until after Josef approached her. I thought this could have made it easier for her to forgive Josef, but it did not. I think this really shows how no matter whether you, someone you know, or even if you don't know anyone affected by the Holocaust, forgiving a person who was able to commit such atrocities for years is not something that can easier be given. Especially when they have gone on for so many years without paying for their actions.
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Well put. I feel similarly. And perhaps forgive, but not forget.mystery lady wrote:It isn't easy for me to forgive someone who has done such evil, so I might think I would be unforgiving toward a Holocaust officer. There are survivors, however, who have chosen to forgive the wrong done to them and their families. They have found peace in forgiveness. I would hope I could forgive and find that kind of peace myself.
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Are we living on the right side of history now? Its something I've thought about a lot.
I think a lot of those people living during the Holocaust just turned away. Pretending not to see. Which is why this sort of thing is allowed to happen.
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What if you met someone, became friends with them, got really close, and then learned that (at some point in the past) the were forced (or chose) to take a life, but that they hated themselves for it, would you cut them out of your life? Or would you understand that they weren't the same person anymore, and, in essence, forgive them?
As for the basis of this thread, Nazis, I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, as there are too many variables.
I also want to reiterate that those with disabilities were also rounded up.
No doubt many of us would have been in danger at this time.
Unfortunately, that's something I've actually thought a lot about, and I think it's something that deserves to be mentioned.
So many people have said that they don't feel like they'd have the right, but it could easily have been any of us.
And it could also easily be any of us. Despite the very human habit of thinking things like this can't happen anymore, they can. They even do, if in smaller, more subtle ways.
stoppoppingtheP wrote:There is so much tragedy around us now. Do you think that we perhaps are living through some horrendous actions that will later be recorded down in history. And we will have seen these actions on the news, but just looked away? And our children will ask us about these days and what we did. Which side we chose.
Are we living on the right side of history now? Its something I've thought about a lot.
I think a lot of those people living during the Holocaust just turned away. Pretending not to see. Which is why this sort of thing is allowed to happen.
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I would never forgive, nor forget, and definitely will cut them out of my life. Sadly history seems to repeat itself nowadays.Gravy wrote:Many of the responses to this make me want to look at the question from a different angle.
What if you met someone, became friends with them, got really close, and then learned that (at some point in the past) the were forced (or chose) to take a life, but that they hated themselves for it, would you cut them out of your life? Or would you understand that they weren't the same person anymore, and, in essence, forgive them?
As for the basis of this thread, Nazis, I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, as there are too many variables.
I also want to reiterate that those with disabilities were also rounded up.
No doubt many of us would have been in danger at this time.
Unfortunately, that's something I've actually thought a lot about, and I think it's something that deserves to be mentioned.
So many people have said that they don't feel like they'd have the right, but it could easily have been any of us.
And it could also easily be any of us. Despite the very human habit of thinking things like this can't happen anymore, they can. They even do, if in smaller, more subtle ways.
stoppoppingtheP wrote:There is so much tragedy around us now. Do you think that we perhaps are living through some horrendous actions that will later be recorded down in history. And we will have seen these actions on the news, but just looked away? And our children will ask us about these days and what we did. Which side we chose.
Are we living on the right side of history now? Its something I've thought about a lot.
I think a lot of those people living during the Holocaust just turned away. Pretending not to see. Which is why this sort of thing is allowed to happen.
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I don't think I actually answered the question
I would have to say that I don't know. It would depend too much on the specific situation, and the individual in question.
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Grief is just love with no place to go.
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I 100% agree with this. Granted everyone heals differently and to some this may be peaceful and a way of having a "leg up", but I personally don't feel I could ever forgive such torment.lnygaard wrote:I was talking about this book the other day with my family and it ended up being a discussion on forgiving Nazis. In the book, Josef feels that Sage had the powere to forgive him because of her Jewish heritage---do you think he's right? If someone asked you to forgive them even if it didn't directly affect you, would you do it?
Personally, I think I wouldn't be able to do it. Since I wasn't directly affected by the holocaust or my family I would feel a little strange offering it. I don't think it would be my place... Then again can you hold one SS officer accountable for the entire genocide? What do you think?
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