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I recently read most of Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good for Gays, Good for Straights, and Good for America by Jonathan Rauch. I guess I never put much though into same-sex marriage before, but after reading Rauch's book, I think I mostly agree.

I'm also thinking of reading Same-Sex Marriage: Pro and Con.

Has anyone else read any books about same-sex marriage? Do you recommend any?

How do you feel about same-sex marriage? Do you think gays should be able to get married to each other? What about civil unions?

i've never read anything about gay marriage but i agree with it. i have an aunt that is gay as well as a bunch of friends and i think that they should be given the same opportunity as the rest of us regardless if its with another person of the same sex

I've never read any books on same sex marriage.I do not believe in same sex marriage. I would not go to Washington DC to picket against it b/c I do not care what a person does as long as it is not affecting my lifestyle. I'm neither a Christian or a Muslim I just believe that if it was a natural thing than God would of made it possible for two men, two women to create a child since survival is man/woman number 1 instinct. Man has been on this planet for millions of years and it hasn't been until these last few hundred years has society questioned the right of passage for mankind as far as sexuality is concerned.

As far back as we can recall there has always been a homesexual drive. It's been more than a few hundred years.. it's not just in humans either. there are also animals that exhibit homosexual behaviors. I'm not against gay marriage but i'm not really for it either. What you do in your time is up to you. The only thing i worry about is adopted children.. i know that may sound wrong but i knew a kid who was raised by two gay men. He had many anger issues growing up and now that he's in his 20's he's been in and out of jail. I am not saying that this is due to him being raised by gay men. I think that people in society who were uncomfortable with that kind of life style forced him to have a tougher outlook on life. Or.. it may have nothing to do with being raise by gay parents at all. who knows. I have a few homosexual friends that feel strongly about gay marriage and if they believe in something so strongly then it is there right to fight for what they believe in.

I've never read anything about it..but I have debated it quite a lot.

My view on it is this: Whether you believe in it or not, whether you agree with it or not, homosexuals have the freedom of choice to be married. Note that I said Freedom of Choice...not Right. Marriage is by no means a right. It is a personal choice. Anything trying to ban gay marriage is another act against our freedoms (much like the banning of drugs and the earlier Prohibition Act.) Yes, alcohol and drugs are bad, but no one has the right to tell you what you can or cannot do to yourself. They can only tell you that forcing yourself upon others is wrong and that should be dealt with. The same goes for gay marriages. To marry is a choice, therefore, the two consenting individuals have the ability to do so. If the church does not want to marry them, then they have the freedom to choose to do so and no one can enforce them to marry the couple. They can go to the government.

It comes down to the point that...it does not matter what your beliefs are, your views on gays, or whatever. It comes down to what is applied to you must also be applied to others. If you are able to marry, so should anyone else regardless of their attraction to the same gender. Freedoms are not based on double standards. Freedoms are based on their ability to apply to all, not just one particular group. If one group cannot marry, nor can the other...the only way the other can is by their ability to vote away rights of others...a form of force in this case.

As for just the plain opinion...I am for gay marriages wholeheartedly...Politically and personally.

oh boy.. now we are getting into a sticky territory. what are morals? and who has the right to say what is right and what is wrong. there are contradictions dealing with freedom and rights.. which is why governments are created. I have the right to kill but the person i kill has the right to live. mmm i'm interested to see where this conversation goes.

Why do gay people want to be married? Why don?t they just get married, file the paper work, and be married? Do you think anyone at the county would question a marriage between Chris and Pat? Do you think the names would be reviewed for validity? Why do they want everyone to look at them? Why are they attacking us?



I think this is a diversion designed to occupy a ponderous and rickety legal system designed by the disillusioned acid casualties from the summer of love. Do you know much about this particular social movement? In the summer of 1967 and 1968, an anti government mentality prevailed amongst the youth of the day fueled by the ?turn on and drop out? sermons preached by the highest profile drug pusher in history, Timothy Leary. A loophole in the law meant LSD was not yet illegal and America?s youth was eating it like Augustus Gloop ate chocolate. Some believed and followed blindly in an idiotic parade of pestilence, disease, and human misery. Many lost their souls as payment for their stupidity. Many thought of this as an excuse to behave poorly, and thought they were getting away with something. The Americans who fought in the Vietnam War paid the price first, made to be ashamed of their armed services against Imperialist land expansion and human oppression. The Ideal of America is under attack, and you are footing the bill.



The glamour of the era has been perpetuated by the media and sold to the generations that followed. We are all paying for it now, and gay marriage is a big festering boil who?s very presence is a symptom of the hurt and anguish still in the hearts of the ?love generation?. It is an attack on the system challenging the moral character of every American. This attack serves no other purpose than the satisfaction of the perpetrators at the idea of tearing at the moral fabric of America. This attack is designed to pit one against the other, and the American media who is the perpetrator's vicious dog, always yips the question, ?what is your position about gay marriage?? They want you to take a side and vote on it, stand up and be counted. They want you to be an idiot like them. They want you to take acid and find out the terrible secret, the horrible thing they can barely stand to live with, the thing that haunts their dreams, that?s always there, just in the background, the thing they can never escape.



I believe it is an act of terrorism committed against the American public. I think the media is the main culprit. Do you allow your children to watch television?

knightss wrote:oh boy.. now we are getting into a sticky territory. what are morals? and who has the right to say what is right and what is wrong. there are contradictions dealing with freedom and rights.. which is why governments are created. I have the right to kill but the person i kill has the right to live. mmm i'm interested to see where this conversation goes.

This conversation goes nowhere because it's a round about of subjective nothingness that I've discussed a hundred times with myself and others.

Morals are guidelines on how to live one's life. Ethics, then, are the guidelines for societies, businesses, etc. because it deals with more than just one individual. However, morals are not based on whim. We do not create morals without a basis. That's a subjectivist inability to acknowledge the basis. The basis of morality comes from life. The initial right comes life. Why? Because that is the value of morality. We do not make morals off of nothing. We based it on that value of life. If one does not value life and they base it on something else, it will be disasterous. What defines it as right and wrong? It's ability to be applied to life, reality, and funciton properly.

There are no contradictions of freedoms and rights. The only contradictions that exist would be those that people have misconstrued...corrupted...and destroyed. No one has the right or freedom to kill another person...Since the basis of morality must be Life...The Right to Life being, then, one of the highest of all would derive from this value...Therefore, since everyone has the right to life, you do not have the right to take life. You, of course, do have the choice to take life. It is not a Right. It's a personal choice. You would then try to say the contradiction then arrives is Freedom of Choice and Right to Life: But the misconception would be that, because you have the freedom of choice, it then can branch to every action and there should be no consequence for murdering someone. Freedom of Choice does not enable give people the RIGHT to murder...only the choice to do so.

And governments are instituted to protect individual rights and to protect from foreign invasion. I would write more but I must go to class. Aidos.

knightss wrote:As far back as we can recall there has always been a homesexual drive. It's been more than a few hundred years.. it's not just in humans either. there are also animals that exhibit homosexual behaviors. I'm not against gay marriage but i'm not really for it either. What you do in your time is up to you. The only thing i worry about is adopted children.. i know that may sound wrong but i knew a kid who was raised by two gay men. He had many anger issues growing up and now that he's in his 20's he's been in and out of jail. I am not saying that this is due to him being raised by gay men. I think that people in society who were uncomfortable with that kind of life style forced him to have a tougher outlook on life. Or.. it may have nothing to do with being raise by gay parents at all. who knows. I have a few homosexual friends that feel strongly about gay marriage and if they believe in something so strongly then it is there right to fight for what they believe in.

I don't believe that it was a gay relationship that made this kid turn out that way. My cousin and his partner helped raise his sister who is now happily married with three kids. They then took in his nephew who was getting into a lot of trouble and turned him around to where he is a responsible adult holding a good job. His partner has three daughters from a previous marriage and are involved in their lives and are all fine. I have a co-worker who has two boys with her partner and the boys are both very smart, good kids.

Gay marriage? I think they are entitled to the same benefits as those of us who are happily married to the opposite sex.

knightss wrote:As far back as we can recall there has always been a homesexual drive. It's been more than a few hundred years.. it's not just in humans either. there are also animals that exhibit homosexual behaviors. I'm not against gay marriage but i'm not really for it either. What you do in your time is up to you. The only thing i worry about is adopted children.. i know that may sound wrong but i knew a kid who was raised by two gay men. He had many anger issues growing up and now that he's in his 20's he's been in and out of jail. I am not saying that this is due to him being raised by gay men. I think that people in society who were uncomfortable with that kind of life style forced him to have a tougher outlook on life. Or.. it may have nothing to do with being raise by gay parents at all. who knows. I have a few homosexual friends that feel strongly about gay marriage and if they believe in something so strongly then it is there right to fight for what they believe in.

I don't believe that it was a gay relationship that made this kid turn out that way. My cousin and his partner helped raise his sister who is now happily married with three kids. They then took in his nephew who was getting into a lot of trouble and turned him around to where he is a responsible adult holding a good job. His partner has three daughters from a previous marriage and are involved in their lives and are all fine. I have a co-worker who has two boys with her partner and the boys are both very smart, good kids.

Gay marriage? I think they are entitled to the same benefits as those of us who are happily married to the opposite sex.

I support gay marriage. There is nothing wrong with being gay. I hate it when people say it is wrong. Some people are very ignorant and they will never be open minded. People judge gay people more than they judge people who commit crimes . Some people can't help to be gay. That is he they feel. It is sad to know that grown people think this is wrong.

I disagree wholeheartedly. First of all, if it was intended to be that way, then God would have created it where two men or two women could procreate. And before you say it's not about that, read the book of Malachi --
Mal 2:14 Yet you say, "For what reason?" Because the LORD has been witness Between you and the wife of your youth, With whom you have dealt treacherously; Yet she is your companion And your wife by covenant.
Mal 2:15 But did He not make them one, Having a remnant of the Spirit? And why one? He seeks godly offspring. "Therefore take heed to your spirit, And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

There are plenty more scriptures to show why this is wrong. But here's a different spin- In most Islamic countries, girls get married at a obscenely young age. We consider this child molestation, child prostitution, etc. They don't. Why are we so outraged about things that are culturally acceptable in other countries when we push the LGBT agenda more than anyone? I think this will ultimately undermine the U.S.A. We will see.

As with opposite sex marriage - as long at it's not compulsory I could care less.

@Paliden
Are you suggesting people who are gay were not also created by God? Assuming that they were then do we take it God made a MISTAKE? OMG

That's like suggesting that child predator were not made by God. I am in no way suggesting that. I'm saying that they are making a mistake and being mislead. Yes, I have heard testimony of gay/lesbians who have been "delivered" (if that's what you want to call it) and it is most definitly something that can be controlled and changed. We wouldn't say that the child molester is okay, because that is what he likes. And they say the same thing as the gays (that it can't be controlled, that this is the way they were made).
And no, God doesn't make mistakes. Sin does.

Paliden wrote:That's like suggesting that child predator were not made by God. I am in no way suggesting that. I'm saying that they are making a mistake and being mislead. Yes, I have heard testimony of gay/lesbians who have been "delivered" (if that's what you want to call it) and it is most definitly something that can be controlled and changed. We wouldn't say that the child molester is okay, because that is what he likes. And they say the same thing as the gays (that it can't be controlled, that this is the way they were made).
And no, God doesn't make mistakes. Sin does.

Ah yes reach for the paedophilia word - there is absolutely NO connection whatsoever between homosexuality and paedophilia.

1. The vast majority of convicted paedophiles are hetereosexual men and in most cases married hetereosexual men and that is a FACT.
2. Paedophilia is a heinous abuse of a child. Gay sex is an act or acts between consenting adults and I for one am not the least bit interested in what consenting adults get up to - whether they are gay or straight.
Why should someone sex life be of interest to me? Live and let live I say and in the end we'll all be dead anyway.