Vicki - Victim or Deserves it?

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Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:28
Nym182 wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 11:55
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 09:55

Everything they did was over the top! This book was a constant pattern of people behaving toxically, and it just apparently being okay because they're the main characters? Just chilling
Right? Not a great message to give to young adults...
Yes, it must be labelled differently.
I am assuming that would affect sales though?
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Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:30
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 15:04
Nym182 wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 11:55

Right? Not a great message to give to young adults...
An awful message! It worries me so much, that some kids could read this sh*t!
Yes, it is really meant for mature readers.
Hopefully mature enough to realize that some of these characters are the heroes that are painted out to be!
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Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:32
gilliansisley wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 12:08
Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 11:48

Right? Fallen into the wrong hands, this book could give the wrong person the go ahead to do some terrible things...
100%. It scares me to think about a young person cuddles up in bed excitedly opening this book and being attacked with the most disturbing sh*t I've ever read.
Yeah. Not a bedtime story that's for sure.
Right? I definitely needed a palate cleanser after reading Opaque!
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Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:49
Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:35
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:15

Yeah he even had a place fixed up for it!
I'm guessing he has some sort of reference guide since he brought along all the supplies he would need :lol2:
Yeah its real creepy at his age!
There is a sentence or two (I may be getting it a little wrong here) where he's listing all his supplies and he makes a comment about "this is what I'm supposed to have" or something about being prepared... (I'll have to look it up when I get home) He really did his homework on this kidnapping thing.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:56
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:18
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 09:57

You make good points here. If my husband or father had been taken, there are quite drastic lengths I would go to ensure I get them back. Carly and Dauma couldn't go to the police, and had to take matters into their own hands.
Yes, true that is a very good reason for them to do what they did. But still they went a little overboard.
yeah I have a feeling it would have gone pretty much the same regardless. And I'm still upset about Carly's wardrobe change just for the occasion.
Yeah just like Betty from Riverdale.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:58
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:20
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 09:58

I totally hated this book, admittedly, but in desperation to find a loved one we'd go to pretty extreme lengths of we were capable of possibly getting them back ourselves.
Yes definitely true.
One thing to point out is that they didn't really seem "desperate" per se... it was more of a stone-cold revenge scenario, with a little indulgence thrown into the mix.
Yes that's one perspective to look at it.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:00
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:21
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 09:59

Yes, you make a fantastic point. Dauma went in hot and heavy, and went forward with a torturing mindset. That's messed up. There's no moral line.
Yes, she really crossed the line there.
It also concerned me that they utilize Carly's ability to heal to really take her to the edge of death... it seems like they were pretty comfortable with it and them using it to bring a victim that close to death, to heal them to torture them more.
That's an effective form of torture for sure!
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:02
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:25
Nym182 wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 10:21

Hmmmm maybe not "brainwashed" maybe more "conditioned" by her parents? Not with any evil intent, but isn't that kinda common for warring families to do? Gotta teach the new generations who are evil and then it really comes to perspective. Like, if we saw things from Vicki's POV, the Descendants would be painted the same way the Iksha is to Carly. One of the negatives of seeing things from one side's POV is only getting one side of the story.
Yes, that is a valid and good point. It is true that Cary being raised as a descendant from birth was grilled with a certain training
It would be quite the twist if Carly and co end up being the bad guys the entire time.
Yeaf, it would be very interesting and definitely one worth seeing.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:05
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:28
Nym182 wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 11:55

Right? Not a great message to give to young adults...
Yes, it must be labelled differently.
I am assuming that would affect sales though?
Cant say for sure, but approx it should go down as the target audience decreases.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:06
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:30
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 15:04

An awful message! It worries me so much, that some kids could read this sh*t!
Yes, it is really meant for mature readers.
Hopefully mature enough to realize that some of these characters are the heroes that are painted out to be!
You mean not the heroes?
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:08
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:32
gilliansisley wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 12:08

100%. It scares me to think about a young person cuddles up in bed excitedly opening this book and being attacked with the most disturbing sh*t I've ever read.
Yeah. Not a bedtime story that's for sure.
Right? I definitely needed a palate cleanser after reading Opaque!
That's necessary haha. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
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Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 15:11
Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:49
Nym182 wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:35

I'm guessing he has some sort of reference guide since he brought along all the supplies he would need :lol2:
Yeah its real creepy at his age!
There is a sentence or two (I may be getting it a little wrong here) where he's listing all his supplies and he makes a comment about "this is what I'm supposed to have" or something about being prepared... (I'll have to look it up when I get home) He really did his homework on this kidnapping thing.
I dont think I remember that after a month but still is pretty disturbing nonetheless.
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Vicki did not deserve to be treated in this way. It was disappointing to see Dauma, the adult, approve and participate in this kind of behavior. She is giving Adam and Carly her approval to use this kind of tactic in the future to achieve their goal.
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Not really sure, if I would term Dauma and Carl as entirely "good", as what they really take things a bit too far.
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Howlan wrote: 26 Feb 2020, 14:22
B Creech wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 10:05
gilliansisley wrote: 25 Feb 2020, 09:55

Everything they did was over the top! This book was a constant pattern of people behaving toxically, and it just apparently being okay because they're the main characters? Just chilling
Exactly! I can't help but wonder what they will be up to in the next book!
I just want a rollercoaster ride from this book!
This book certainly gives you a roller coaster ride! :text-goodpost:
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