I am assuming that would affect sales though?Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:28Yes, it must be labelled differently.Nym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 11:55Right? Not a great message to give to young adults...gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:55
Everything they did was over the top! This book was a constant pattern of people behaving toxically, and it just apparently being okay because they're the main characters? Just chilling
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Hopefully mature enough to realize that some of these characters are the heroes that are painted out to be!
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Right? I definitely needed a palate cleanser after reading Opaque!Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:32Yeah. Not a bedtime story that's for sure.gilliansisley wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 12:08100%. It scares me to think about a young person cuddles up in bed excitedly opening this book and being attacked with the most disturbing sh*t I've ever read.
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There is a sentence or two (I may be getting it a little wrong here) where he's listing all his supplies and he makes a comment about "this is what I'm supposed to have" or something about being prepared... (I'll have to look it up when I get home) He really did his homework on this kidnapping thing.
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Yeah just like Betty from Riverdale.Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:56yeah I have a feeling it would have gone pretty much the same regardless. And I'm still upset about Carly's wardrobe change just for the occasion.Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:18Yes, true that is a very good reason for them to do what they did. But still they went a little overboard.gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:57
You make good points here. If my husband or father had been taken, there are quite drastic lengths I would go to ensure I get them back. Carly and Dauma couldn't go to the police, and had to take matters into their own hands.
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Yes that's one perspective to look at it.Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:58One thing to point out is that they didn't really seem "desperate" per se... it was more of a stone-cold revenge scenario, with a little indulgence thrown into the mix.Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:20Yes definitely true.gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:58
I totally hated this book, admittedly, but in desperation to find a loved one we'd go to pretty extreme lengths of we were capable of possibly getting them back ourselves.
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That's an effective form of torture for sure!Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 15:00It also concerned me that they utilize Carly's ability to heal to really take her to the edge of death... it seems like they were pretty comfortable with it and them using it to bring a victim that close to death, to heal them to torture them more.Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:21Yes, she really crossed the line there.gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:59
Yes, you make a fantastic point. Dauma went in hot and heavy, and went forward with a torturing mindset. That's messed up. There's no moral line.
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Yeaf, it would be very interesting and definitely one worth seeing.Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 15:02It would be quite the twist if Carly and co end up being the bad guys the entire time.Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:25Yes, that is a valid and good point. It is true that Cary being raised as a descendant from birth was grilled with a certain trainingNym182 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 10:21
Hmmmm maybe not "brainwashed" maybe more "conditioned" by her parents? Not with any evil intent, but isn't that kinda common for warring families to do? Gotta teach the new generations who are evil and then it really comes to perspective. Like, if we saw things from Vicki's POV, the Descendants would be painted the same way the Iksha is to Carly. One of the negatives of seeing things from one side's POV is only getting one side of the story.
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Cant say for sure, but approx it should go down as the target audience decreases.
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You mean not the heroes?Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 15:06Hopefully mature enough to realize that some of these characters are the heroes that are painted out to be!Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:30Yes, it is really meant for mature readers.gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 15:04
An awful message! It worries me so much, that some kids could read this sh*t!
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That's necessary haha. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth.Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 15:08Right? I definitely needed a palate cleanser after reading Opaque!Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:32Yeah. Not a bedtime story that's for sure.gilliansisley wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 12:08
100%. It scares me to think about a young person cuddles up in bed excitedly opening this book and being attacked with the most disturbing sh*t I've ever read.
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I dont think I remember that after a month but still is pretty disturbing nonetheless.Nym182 wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 15:11There is a sentence or two (I may be getting it a little wrong here) where he's listing all his supplies and he makes a comment about "this is what I'm supposed to have" or something about being prepared... (I'll have to look it up when I get home) He really did his homework on this kidnapping thing.
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This book certainly gives you a roller coaster ride!Howlan wrote: ↑26 Feb 2020, 14:22I just want a rollercoaster ride from this book!B Creech wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 10:05Exactly! I can't help but wonder what they will be up to in the next book!gilliansisley wrote: ↑25 Feb 2020, 09:55
Everything they did was over the top! This book was a constant pattern of people behaving toxically, and it just apparently being okay because they're the main characters? Just chilling
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