Which side are you in?

Maddie Atkinson · Post by **Maddie Atkinson** » 10 Mar 2021, 06:11

Shanaian wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 00:38 Science is yet to convincly prove the "Bang Theory" to which began the world. Am strong 2 believing in God's creation.

But there is more evidence to prove the Big Bang Theory than there is to prove the creation theory. Even if the Big Bang didn't happen and there are other reasons why the Universe began, it is impossible for civilisation and life to have come this far in the space of time that the creation theory gives us! Just playing devils advocate!

mariana90 · Post by **mariana90** » 10 Mar 2021, 12:43

I believe in Science and I believe in the Bible. BUT I don't take the Bible literally (it was first passed down orally, then in writing, add to that numerous translations; there's plenty of room for error) and I know some aspects of science aren't written in stone (as technology advances, so do scientific discoveries; that's why we now know the Earth isn't flat for example).

I read somewhere a man comparing the Eiffel tower with the Earth's creation: to create such a complex structure, you can't simply throw the pieces around hoping for them to come together in the exact correct way. You need an architect to design it and execute it. The same happens with the Earth's creation: just consider the amazing piece of machinery that is the human body. I can't simply believe there was no creative consciousness, no divine architect, behind it.

rondanoh1 · Post by **rondanoh1** » 10 Mar 2021, 15:18

I mostly fit into the third category. I believe in the Bible but I also know that there is a lot of symbolism in the Bible. My thought is, why couldn't the Big Bang be the "let there be light" pronouncement? We also know that organisms adapt and change in their environment. To me, this doesn't mean that the Bible isn't true; it just means that it doesn't tell us in exact words what happened. There is this thing called faith that comes into play. It takes a lot more faith in chaos to believe the Big Bang and all creation just happened than it does to have faith in a God who can make things happen in such a spectacular way. We don't know what really happened, no matter which category you are in.

LeighBee · Post by **LeighBee** » 10 Mar 2021, 19:31

If I had to place myself in one of the categories, I'd say that for the majority of my life until my late 20s, I was in the third category. When reading this book, I laughed out loud at certain places where I read the text to my husband, who knew me when I used to have some of the same views.

There came a moment in my endless puzzling where I realized that if my faith requires everything in the Bible to be absolutely empirically true, then it isn't faith. Seeking to define the spiritual world in terms of the physical is limiting. While I believe in intelligent design showing God's hand in evolution, at some point, you have to let go and trust that God is not so easily defined and is infinitely grander than the constraints of the logical boxes we try to fit him in. While the mysteries of science and the universe seem dauntingly unfathomable, as a species, we progress in our understanding. It's possible that one day we could achieve complete understanding. Not so with God.

For me, I'm the 4th type of person: those who both believe the Bible and believe science, acknowledge the discrepancies, and instead of trying to make everything fit, just choose to take it on faith that both hold valuable truths. I believe the books were written by men who were inspired by God, but who were products of their environments. As the Bible tells us, no man, (not even the Bible's authors) can understand the mind of God.

Fliesie01 · Post by **Fliesie01** » 11 Mar 2021, 04:40

I am in group 2. I strongly believe that God created the world, He also created science, and there are things that correlate between science and the Bible. I also feel that the Bible has been written over so many times that errors could have slipped in and the same with science, there are new things being discovered everyday.

63tty · Post by **63tty** » 12 Mar 2021, 01:24

Sushan wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 09:23
63tty wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 00:41 I don't think that the list is exhaustive, consider for example the people who believe in horoscopes and the crystals (they are neither science nor religion) where do they fall.
Also, I don't see where I fit in, I would say 3 because I'm open-minded but I do believe in God strongly. And if I say 2, I don't dispute science or compare it with my religion, so I'm not sure where I fit in.
I haven't considered any other superstitious beliefs into the classification because we are discussing a classification that is introduced by the author of this book. And I agree that there can be a bit of mixing of the borders of these groups. So, if you cannot put yourself exclusively in one group, can you please suggest an additional one?

I think there should have been a 4th category that is broad like say "others", where the author could have specified is for people who just haven't made a decision about religion, or have other beliefs or just don't believe at all. It might seem broad but it helps and makes the book unbiased.

Mtibza eM · Post by **Mtibza eM** » 12 Mar 2021, 11:40

I am an agnostic, so I believe even if God exists, to us human beings, that is unknowable. Science nor bible can never fully prove God's existence. I have read multiples book that discredit the Bible as the Word of God, book such as Folly Bible by Raul Casso, for example. Even science itself is not accurate, which is what the author of God, Science & the Bible demonstrated Throughout that the book.

That's why I had actually picked this book, to try to find out how, unlike those aforementioned books which each one discredit the other, this it tries to put both the Bible and Science together.

So, to answer you, I am neither of those.

Etienneza · Post by **Etienneza** » 12 Mar 2021, 14:49

As information comes to light and new ways of interpretation are proposed, who could establish how far along the continuum of discovery we have already progressed? Perhaps question arise to multiply additional possibilities that eventually would lead to completely new alternatives for viewing both biblical teaching as well as the laws of science.

shurooq elshaeir · Post by **shurooq elshaeir** » 12 Mar 2021, 20:45

I strongly support that god in my case Almighty Allah has created everything including science as in our holy book (Quran) that was created thousands of years ago has scientific facts and discoveries that scientists up until this day discover.

LeighBee · Post by **LeighBee** » 13 Mar 2021, 15:41

Maddie Atkinson wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 06:11
Shanaian wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 00:38 Science is yet to convincly prove the "Bang Theory" to which began the world. Am strong 2 believing in God's creation.
But there is more evidence to prove the Big Bang Theory than there is to prove the creation theory. Even if the Big Bang didn't happen and there are other reasons why the Universe began, it is impossible for civilisation and life to have come this far in the space of time that the creation theory gives us! Just playing devils advocate!

As someone who is scientifically-minded, it is frustrating that many people don't understand a scientific "theory" is one with substantial evidence. It isn't "just a theory" it is the most logical explanation based on years of study and evidence. :/ Some people read the word "theory" and see it as the non-scientific meaning of the word; that it is somehow just a guess. Newton's theory of gravity was later expanded by Einstein's theory of relativity; both of these "theories" are the basis for practical engineering that works.

Maddie Atkinson · Post by **Maddie Atkinson** » 14 Mar 2021, 06:49

LeighBee wrote: ↑13 Mar 2021, 15:41
Maddie Atkinson wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 06:11
Shanaian wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 00:38 Science is yet to convincly prove the "Bang Theory" to which began the world. Am strong 2 believing in God's creation.
But there is more evidence to prove the Big Bang Theory than there is to prove the creation theory. Even if the Big Bang didn't happen and there are other reasons why the Universe began, it is impossible for civilisation and life to have come this far in the space of time that the creation theory gives us! Just playing devils advocate!
As someone who is scientifically-minded, it is frustrating that many people don't understand a scientific "theory" is one with substantial evidence. It isn't "just a theory" it is the most logical explanation based on years of study and evidence. :/ Some people read the word "theory" and see it as the non-scientific meaning of the word; that it is somehow just a guess. Newton's theory of gravity was later expanded by Einstein's theory of relativity; both of these "theories" are the basis for practical engineering that works.

I agree with you! It is more than just a theory. It may be one theory among many, but it is the most convincing and logical explanation yet. It is more than just a guess. Theories are how all scientific discoveries start. It is something that has to be proved. The Big Bang has more than enough evidence to prove that it is probably the closest we will come to understanding the beginning of the universe. It is also so much more convincing that the creationists theory, which has hardly any convincing evidence to back it up and is virtually impossible when you look at it practically. The maximum amount of time given by creationists for the beginning of everything is about 10,000 years, which is not nearly enough time to account for the creation of stars, the solar system, planets, civilisation. The list goes on and the creation theory does not prove any of that.

Alhiza23 · Post by **Alhiza23** » 14 Mar 2021, 09:28

I do not belong either 1,2 or 3. I belong on number 4 which you forget. Remember that science is really connected with the Bible. Only the theories made it incongruent with each other. I believe wholeheartedly that science and Bible are congruent with each other wherein there are written in the Bible which was proved by science to be true.

Shanaian · Post by **Shanaian** » 14 Mar 2021, 23:48

Am in group 2. The bible proven true by the scientists. They have worked hard to prove the Big Bang Theory and it still does not make sense.

in my opinion.

Maddie Atkinson · Post by **Maddie Atkinson** » 15 Mar 2021, 07:11

Shanaian wrote: ↑14 Mar 2021, 23:48 Am in group 2. The bible proven true by the scientists. They have worked hard to prove the Big Bang Theory and it still does not make sense. in my opinion.

May I ask what part of it doesn't make sense to you? I am just wondering, because while I agree that science has proved the Bible in many cases, it has not proved the creation theory, which, even if the Big Bang isn't right, is impossible to have happened! Scientifically speaking of course!

Shanaian · Post by **Shanaian** » 15 Mar 2021, 09:28

On the creation story its matter of one's faith. In most cases they have tried to prove it did not happen.

The Big Bang Theory - On current scientific thinking, the chemicals we are made of were cooked up in giant nuclear furnaces - stars - bigger than our sun. Because gravity is a weak force, these stars took thousands of millions of years to form and to make these elements. Then the stars exploded scattering the atoms into space. Objects near the edge of the universe are still moving away at nearly the speed of light today, so if that has been happening since the Big Bang, it's easy to see why the universe is now so enormous. Some of the scattered atoms eventually became human flesh and bone - our bodies are the ashes of long-dead stars. So it seems that if the universe was not ancient and vast, the atoms of our bodies would not have been made, which would stand the argument for insignificance on its head.