What do you think his responsibilities would be supposing he is no longer on the supercorporation's payroll?Fozia-Bajwa wrote: โ09 Aug 2018, 06:34 No I don't think so he should not think about suicide because suicide is not a viable option for Silver. Rather he should take stand in front of his responsibilities and should perform his duties by awareness.
Is suicide a viable option for Agent Sliver?
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Re: Is suicide a viable option for Agent Sliver?
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In a world dominated by supercorporations, what are the chances of one individual to fight and even change the system or at least live independently from the system?Dusamae wrote: โ10 Aug 2018, 08:47 No, suicide is never a viable option. He did commit a lot of murders, with mind control he really was unable to make a different choice until it began to wear off or he true self finally started coming through. There is always tomorrow, and he may be able to make a difference in the lives of others. Without the CEO things may be a little different, or not, but if suicide is the option he will never know what possible changes he has or will make.
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Allow me to be the devil's disciple and remind you that nobody has ever come back from the dead to actually tell us some stories about the other world. How do we know that death is not the best alternative?msomigreat wrote: โ10 Aug 2018, 14:12 Suicide has never been a viable option for anyone even when someone feels that that might be the only option. what is important is how well one can look for other alternative and better opportunities.
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Since you're talking in general terms, please allow me to ask you one question: are you afraid to die? Suicide is either an act of great courage or an act of cowardice. It is, after all, only a matter of personal belief and interpretation.Muhammad1039 wrote: โ11 Aug 2018, 03:27 No matter how, no matter what, no matter why, no matter when and no matter the situation suicide will never be a last option, it is better to wait for an impossible miracle than to commit suicide.
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Good point. If you ask me, you need more courage to live than to die.Michael Kevin wrote: โ12 Aug 2018, 01:51 Suicide should always be the last option because if you have the courage to suicide, you will have that courage to continue your living.
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What if I am telling you this: I think Sliver would not be a coward if he decided to commit suicide rather than kill another person. What would you do if confronted with such an option? Commit suicide or kill somebody?Tiny_Turtle wrote: โ12 Aug 2018, 07:42 SPOILER ALERT: If you haven't read the book yet, you may not want to read my comments. I needed to refer to specifics to justify my conclusion.
Suicide is the cowards' way out. Sliver was anything but a coward. He showed that numerous times, like when he saved the Shredders and Kelly. It even took courage to hide that his ship, Franklin, had 'awoken' and become self aware. He especially showed courage when he allowed Shawn Chase to live, for then he wasn't doing something that could be justified by "What they don't know won't hurt 'em."
When he didn't kill Chase he was going against direct indoctrination, not to mention direct orders. The killing had become so deeply ingrained in him, that by not killing he was going against what he believed was the right thing to do, his 'purpose' in life. It takes tremendous courage to go against everything you have been taught to believe is the one and only truth.
So, no, suicide was not a viable option for Sliver. There was no cowardice in him.
P.S. I was under the impression that people commenting here have already read the book. No spoiler alert needed.
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What could he do to make amends for his past? Fight against the corporations? Help the families of his victims? How should he pay for his crimes?Daniella C wrote: โ12 Aug 2018, 09:12 In as much as he's traumatized with he's past life. Nevertheless suicide can never be an option, it's only a coward abandons his or her fears because of guilt. He should rather stand up as man and face his responsibility.
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Wow. You made an absolutely valid point. I hadn't looked at it from that angle. If he committed suicide as the only solution to assure that he would not kill again, then I could see how it would be a viable option.cristinaro wrote: โ27 Aug 2018, 11:43What if I am telling you this: I think Sliver would not be a coward if he decided to commit suicide rather than kill another person. What would you do if confronted with such an option? Commit suicide or kill somebody?Tiny_Turtle wrote: โ12 Aug 2018, 07:42 SPOILER ALERT: If you haven't read the book yet, you may not want to read my comments. I needed to refer to specifics to justify my conclusion.
Suicide is the cowards' way out. Sliver was anything but a coward. He showed that numerous times, like when he saved the Shredders and Kelly. It even took courage to hide that his ship, Franklin, had 'awoken' and become self aware. He especially showed courage when he allowed Shawn Chase to live, for then he wasn't doing something that could be justified by "What they don't know won't hurt 'em."
When he didn't kill Chase he was going against direct indoctrination, not to mention direct orders. The killing had become so deeply ingrained in him, that by not killing he was going against what he believed was the right thing to do, his 'purpose' in life. It takes tremendous courage to go against everything you have been taught to believe is the one and only truth.
So, no, suicide was not a viable option for Sliver. There was no cowardice in him.
P.S. I was under the impression that people commenting here have already read the book. No spoiler alert needed.
For me personally, I don't believe I would be able to either. If faced with the choice, I would probably do nothing until whomever was forcing the issue killed me.
As for the spoiler alert, I added that because in a few forums I saw people saying that they hadn't yet read the book being discussed. I do agree that anyone commenting on these particular forums should read the book first, but I'm not sure if it's a prerequisite.
Thank you for your comments. You gave me some things to think about.
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Where there is one individual to fight there are usually more. It just takes someone like Sliver to start and lead.cristinaro wrote: โ27 Aug 2018, 11:31In a world dominated by supercorporations, what are the chances of one individual to fight and even change the system or at least live independently from the system?Dusamae wrote: โ10 Aug 2018, 08:47 No, suicide is never a viable option. He did commit a lot of murders, with mind control he really was unable to make a different choice until it began to wear off or he true self finally started coming through. There is always tomorrow, and he may be able to make a difference in the lives of others. Without the CEO things may be a little different, or not, but if suicide is the option he will never know what possible changes he has or will make.
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