Is mysoginism the main theme?
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Re: Is mysoginism the main theme?
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I don't mind physical descriptions that are not of beauty, but I don't enjoy reading those kinds of judgmental comments. It can be done to show a character's flaw and sometimes it is done in such a way as to imply a flaw of the author's.gen_g wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 23:03This type of writing honestly puts me off - and in Chapter 1, no less! It's definitely obvious that the narrator/author sees women as objects, and that's rather gross.Eva Darrington wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 23:00 I am noticing some misogyny, both in the characters and the narration. Part of misogyny is a hyper-focus on women's body sizes and physical appearances. The author writes about three women in a row, and comments on their weight and appearances. Carole was "flabby now" and wasn't exercising; "Tasha teetered on the cusp of overweight with legs like ice cream cones," then he wonders if she would "splat" another cheerleader; And of Sheryl, "He didn't like the size of her nose with dark deep wells for nostrils. She was a little overweight...." This is just the first few pages of Chapter 1.
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I agree that descriptions of physical attributes are common and I certainly don’t mind reading them. My concern is that these descriptions have obviously tipped over into the objectification and sexualisation of the female body, and if I’m not wrong, this same thing has happened in more than a single book of the author’s, seeming to indicate more than just the author’s desire to portray a character flaw. I will have no issue if it is done intentionally on the author’s part to portray a character’s flaw as such. My opinion is therefore dependent on the author’s intention itself. In other words, if the novel shows that the author deems appearance as an indicator of a woman’s worth, that’s sexism.dtb wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 12:39I don't mind physical descriptions that are not of beauty, but I don't enjoy reading those kinds of judgmental comments. It can be done to show a character's flaw and sometimes it is done in such a way as to imply a flaw of the author's.gen_g wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 23:03This type of writing honestly puts me off - and in Chapter 1, no less! It's definitely obvious that the narrator/author sees women as objects, and that's rather gross.Eva Darrington wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 23:00 I am noticing some misogyny, both in the characters and the narration. Part of misogyny is a hyper-focus on women's body sizes and physical appearances. The author writes about three women in a row, and comments on their weight and appearances. Carole was "flabby now" and wasn't exercising; "Tasha teetered on the cusp of overweight with legs like ice cream cones," then he wonders if she would "splat" another cheerleader; And of Sheryl, "He didn't like the size of her nose with dark deep wells for nostrils. She was a little overweight...." This is just the first few pages of Chapter 1.
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I agree and I think your point is sadly applicable in way too many cultural offerings.gen_g wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 19:20I agree that descriptions of physical attributes are common and I certainly don’t mind reading them. My concern is that these descriptions have obviously tipped over into the objectification and sexualisation of the female body, and if I’m not wrong, this same thing has happened in more than a single book of the author’s, seeming to indicate more than just the author’s desire to portray a character flaw. I will have no issue if it is done intentionally on the author’s part to portray a character’s flaw as such. My opinion is therefore dependent on the author’s intention itself. In other words, if the novel shows that the author deems appearance as an indicator of a woman’s worth, that’s sexism.
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But I think it's a great theme to approach because it's still happening in society and books like this one get us talking about that, which should be the first step towards eradicating the issue.
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The only seemingly redeeming thing about him is his children and perhaps his attempts in changing himself. And in the end, we could ask ourselves that if all of us has both good and evil capabilities within us, would we be capable of all the bad that Hiram did in the right circumstances?
More likely no, but I always thought that if I was born as Hiram McDowell, and had his experiences in the same manner, would I have done the same? Is it nurture or nature?
Perhaps other readers took away something else very different from what I have garnered from the story. However, this is simply my take on things.
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