Portrayals of Femininity
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I didn't see this when I read the book, but I think you are right. In hindsight, the book treated women in general as 'necessary evils', who were mostly problematic to the male characters. Even the sexual partners and descriptions were portrayed in a dispassionate and critical manner.Radiant3 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2018, 10:09 I found that there was a theme of loneliness for the older women in the book. Ann, Rima, Carole, Paige, Helga, Winona, Kitsy. They were older and had to fend for themselves. They were without a solid support from a partner or companion. Even Carole, when she was married to Hiram, she still felt alone. Ann had little support from Robert who was present but not really there for her and the children.
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I cannot say 'yes' from my personal perspective as I have rarely been treated like this. However, one only has to look around at people you know to see that women are not as emancipated as we would like to think, and that a lot of men do have a problem considering a woman to be his equal.
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I said it was disappointing and not bad. We have a multitude of books portraying traditional gender roles and while the 'CEO type' woman is on the rise, it's still very little. It would have been nice if at least one of them chose the unconventional route. Because, as it stands, this book only seems to have representation for the traditional woman instead of all women - the mothers, the career-driven ones, and those that manage to do both. I don't disagree with the fact that we aren't getting rid of gender roles, they are just changing. But at least there is change. I hold to the hope that change, whether good or bad, means we are learning. We're still learning and learning allows for errors. It might not be tomorrow, but we'll start to realize what works and what doesn't.AliceofX wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 04:09But isn't saying, "Traditional gender roles are bad," just creating new gender roles? Back in the day it was, "Marry and be a stay-at-home mom," and now it's, "Go to college and become a CEO." Personally, I don't see the difference between the two because it's just more people telling women what they should and shouldn't do with their lives. I don't think we're any more free from gender roles today, be they traditional or not, than we were a hundred years ago.JR Mercier wrote: ↑22 Oct 2018, 01:26 I haven't fully read the book but it sounds like they all fell back into their traditional roles, which to me is a bit disappointing. I think it would have been great to see them succeed and be happy outside those roles.
And I see a big difference between being married with kids and no education versus being educated with choices like getting married or becoming a CEO. We need to stop thinking you can only have one and not the other. If you want an education and kids then do it. Being a mom is not a bad thing just like being an educated woman is not.
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I'm with you on this one, JR Mercier. Traditional femininity (or masculinity) isn't bad or lesser when it's a choice someone makes. Having the choice makes all the differnce.JR Mercier wrote: ↑05 Nov 2018, 07:36 I said it was disappointing and not bad. We have a multitude of books portraying traditional gender roles and while the 'CEO type' woman is on the rise, it's still very little. It would have been nice if at least one of them chose the unconventional route. Because, as it stands, this book only seems to have representation for the traditional woman instead of all women - the mothers, the career-driven ones, and those that manage to do both. I don't disagree with the fact that we aren't getting rid of gender roles, they are just changing. But at least there is change. I hold to the hope that change, whether good or bad, means we are learning. We're still learning and learning allows for errors. It might not be tomorrow, but we'll start to realize what works and what doesn't.
And I see a big difference between being married with kids and no education versus being educated with choices like getting married or becoming a CEO. We need to stop thinking you can only have one and not the other. If you want an education and kids then do it. Being a mom is not a bad thing just like being an educated woman is not.
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This is the best point. After all, humans are made to be social beings and not lone rangers.Caylie_Cat wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 19:04Yes, wouldn't it be great if 'having it all' really meant having your choice respected and supported? Obviously, there is a case for having to do stuff you don't want to do due to economic need or situational circumstances, but overall, teamwork is the only way to get through life with everyone feeling loved and included and nobody feeling overwhelmed.Kibetious wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 05:53Nice point here. Nothing truer than this can be said. I tend to believe that the whole issue of empowerment should not really be about one gender being 'a doing it all' or 'having it all' but rather that both can co-exist without stepping on the other.Caylie_Cat wrote: ↑23 Oct 2018, 02:35
I agree entirely. In fact, I think we women have put ourselves even further into oppression by accepting the 'we can have it all' gender role. It has now become 'you MUST have it all', and whether we want to be a SAHM or a career woman or not, we are now expected to be both and do it without compromising anyone else. Men still expect a certain level of support from their partner but are not necessarily willing to step up and render domestic assistance to a woman who is assisting him in his provider role.
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