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Unfortunately, I think the author wanted to show the lengths Carly would go to hide Adam and herself from any sort of observation and suspicion of any kind.AntonelaMaria wrote: ↑07 Feb 2020, 17:03I really don't even know why did we had that pages with Terry. It didn't bring anything to the plotline or characters besides make me more upset with the whole book. What was the author thinking? This is truly problematic. I am appealed how after he kidnaps her suddenly he just switched personality and he is all" oh don't be upset with this stranger shackled you, calm down" Like she is to blame for her own death. Terry died for nothing! On the other note, sorry for what happened to you.gilliansisley wrote: ↑06 Feb 2020, 20:32 Truthfully, I despised Adam from the moment of Terry's death (well, it was weird when he lusted for his mom too, so our start before that wasn't great), and I spent the entire book resenting him for kidnapping her with chloroform, almost raping her, and then ultimately causing her death.
Despite all the character development, I couldn't get passed this, and the fact that Adam was the cause of her losing her life. And it's just like... No big thing for the main characters. Because Adam and Carly have super powers so woohoo it's no biggie and everything's fine and magical.
I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Terry's kidnapping, attempted rape and ultimate death were hugely upsetting to me. I cannot fathom how this classifies as YA fiction. Each time Terry's death was minimized, I had to ward off tears and upset. I didn't give a sh*t about Adam's powers and character progression-- what about justice for Terry?
When I read about characters in books, I try to humanize them. And reading what happened to Terry, and that in the end it basically didn't matter at all, was so horrendously cruel to me. I read the entire rest of the book in resentment.
As much as it may have been love, Carly is also hiding a secret about powers and so is Adam. At the beginning of the book we saw how out of control those powers were. I wonder how much of her cover up was self preservation.
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You summed it up very well. Perhaps he could have accidentally destroyed a car or something to discover his powers, or accidentally unleashed a tornado on his own creepy sex shack. But no, a person had to die so he could learn his lesson, and then nobody even seems to give a rip about her death. What???gilliansisley wrote: ↑07 Feb 2020, 18:29 You're too sweet, thank you for your kind words.
I entirely agree with how annoying his behaviour was. Adam was basically getting frustrated that she was panicking, and was annoyed that she wouldn't believe he meant no harm after kidapping her and bringing her to his creep sex shack in the middle of the woods!
She dies, and he's like "Oh no! What an unfortunate accident which was not in any way my fault at all, period!"
No clue what the purpose was. Completely ruined the entire book for me.
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This part of the plot was a huge turnoff for me in this book. Not only was it upsetting, it was a loose end that was never tied up. We never find out what happened to her after she died. We just know that she ended up dead and that the only thing that was left in the room was a hair barrette of some kind.
I hope that in subsequent books Terry’s fate is addressed. To be honest, I am not hopeful, considering how other things in the book were handled.
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I'm a survivor of sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, this part of the book didn't trigger any of those memories. It mostly made me scratch my head that Adam didn't seem to feel any real remorse about someone getting killed because of his self-absorbed behavior. And Carly's attitude was peculiar as well. It was like "well, he did kidnap someone, and she did die because of his actions, but, heck, let's burn this place down and pretend none of it ever happened. Whaaaaat???gilliansisley wrote: ↑06 Feb 2020, 20:32 Truthfully, I despised Adam from the moment of Terry's death (well, it was weird when he lusted for his mom too, so our start before that wasn't great), and I spent the entire book resenting him for kidnapping her with chloroform, almost raping her, and then ultimately causing her death.
Despite all the character development, I couldn't get passed this, and the fact that Adam was the cause of her losing her life. And it's just like... No big thing for the main characters. Because Adam and Carly have super powers so woohoo it's no biggie and everything's fine and magical.
I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Terry's kidnapping, attempted rape and ultimate death were hugely upsetting to me. I cannot fathom how this classifies as YA fiction. Each time Terry's death was minimized, I had to ward off tears and upset. I didn't give a sh*t about Adam's powers and character progression-- what about justice for Terry?
When I read about characters in books, I try to humanize them. And reading what happened to Terry, and that in the end it basically didn't matter at all, was so horrendously cruel to me. I read the entire rest of the book in resentment.
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ciecheesemeister wrote: ↑10 Feb 2020, 16:42I'm a survivor of sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, this part of the book didn't trigger any of those memories. It mostly made me scratch my head that Adam didn't seem to feel any real remorse about someone getting killed because of his self-absorbed behavior. And Carly's attitude was peculiar as well. It was like "well, he did kidnap someone, and she did die because of his actions, but, heck, let's burn this place down and pretend none of it ever happened. Whaaaaat???gilliansisley wrote: ↑06 Feb 2020, 20:32 Truthfully, I despised Adam from the moment of Terry's death (well, it was weird when he lusted for his mom too, so our start before that wasn't great), and I spent the entire book resenting him for kidnapping her with chloroform, almost raping her, and then ultimately causing her death.
Despite all the character development, I couldn't get passed this, and the fact that Adam was the cause of her losing her life. And it's just like... No big thing for the main characters. Because Adam and Carly have super powers so woohoo it's no biggie and everything's fine and magical.
I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Terry's kidnapping, attempted rape and ultimate death were hugely upsetting to me. I cannot fathom how this classifies as YA fiction. Each time Terry's death was minimized, I had to ward off tears and upset. I didn't give a sh*t about Adam's powers and character progression-- what about justice for Terry?
When I read about characters in books, I try to humanize them. And reading what happened to Terry, and that in the end it basically didn't matter at all, was so horrendously cruel to me. I read the entire rest of the book in resentment.
I kept thinking that the author was setting up him being a psychopath due to his lack of emotions! Did you get the sense like the whole Terry thing was supposed to be something that "happened" to him? (that's what I started to feel after Carly burned down the den due to both of their lack of remorse or concern about Terry)
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When I first started reading the book, I thought I was reading about a sociopathic rapist whose plans got messed up...I mean that is what happened, but I thought that was what the book was about.Nym182 wrote: ↑10 Feb 2020, 16:52ciecheesemeister wrote: ↑10 Feb 2020, 16:42I'm a survivor of sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, this part of the book didn't trigger any of those memories. It mostly made me scratch my head that Adam didn't seem to feel any real remorse about someone getting killed because of his self-absorbed behavior. And Carly's attitude was peculiar as well. It was like "well, he did kidnap someone, and she did die because of his actions, but, heck, let's burn this place down and pretend none of it ever happened. Whaaaaat???gilliansisley wrote: ↑06 Feb 2020, 20:32 Truthfully, I despised Adam from the moment of Terry's death (well, it was weird when he lusted for his mom too, so our start before that wasn't great), and I spent the entire book resenting him for kidnapping her with chloroform, almost raping her, and then ultimately causing her death.
Despite all the character development, I couldn't get passed this, and the fact that Adam was the cause of her losing her life. And it's just like... No big thing for the main characters. Because Adam and Carly have super powers so woohoo it's no biggie and everything's fine and magical.
I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Terry's kidnapping, attempted rape and ultimate death were hugely upsetting to me. I cannot fathom how this classifies as YA fiction. Each time Terry's death was minimized, I had to ward off tears and upset. I didn't give a sh*t about Adam's powers and character progression-- what about justice for Terry?
When I read about characters in books, I try to humanize them. And reading what happened to Terry, and that in the end it basically didn't matter at all, was so horrendously cruel to me. I read the entire rest of the book in resentment.
I kept thinking that the author was setting up him being a psychopath due to his lack of emotions! Did you get the sense like the whole Terry thing was supposed to be something that "happened" to him? (that's what I started to feel after Carly burned down the den due to both of their lack of remorse or concern about Terry)
And yes, the way it was written was almost like Terry’s death happened TO him. He even frames it in a way where he will never forget her and what happened and the impact she had on his life. Almost like he was a bystander, when he was the one who facilitated the whole thing.
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EXACTLY. You make such a valid point here. There were so many other less disturbing ways he could have discovered he had super powers, BEYOND lusting for his mom and killing some innocent chick. Also, is treated as so normal like "oh yes that's why you're the way you are, powers", but I'm pretty sure NO ONE ELSE within the descendants was going around sexually assaulting and killing people as a side affect! If that was the case, they would have talked about it!ciecheesemeister wrote: ↑10 Feb 2020, 16:38You summed it up very well. Perhaps he could have accidentally destroyed a car or something to discover his powers, or accidentally unleashed a tornado on his own creepy sex shack. But no, a person had to die so he could learn his lesson, and then nobody even seems to give a rip about her death. What???gilliansisley wrote: ↑07 Feb 2020, 18:29 You're too sweet, thank you for your kind words.
I entirely agree with how annoying his behaviour was. Adam was basically getting frustrated that she was panicking, and was annoyed that she wouldn't believe he meant no harm after kidapping her and bringing her to his creep sex shack in the middle of the woods!
She dies, and he's like "Oh no! What an unfortunate accident which was not in any way my fault at all, period!"
No clue what the purpose was. Completely ruined the entire book for me.
Not sure what the author was trying to accomplish here...
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100%. It was all "woe is Adam that this girl got herself in such a tizzy that she ended up accidentally killing herself! Poor Adam must now feel slightly bad about it for 1.2 seconds. Dear Adam deserves a fresh start."ciecheesemeister wrote: ↑10 Feb 2020, 16:42I'm a survivor of sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, this part of the book didn't trigger any of those memories. It mostly made me scratch my head that Adam didn't seem to feel any real remorse about someone getting killed because of his self-absorbed behavior. And Carly's attitude was peculiar as well. It was like "well, he did kidnap someone, and she did die because of his actions, but, heck, let's burn this place down and pretend none of it ever happened. Whaaaaat???gilliansisley wrote: ↑06 Feb 2020, 20:32 Truthfully, I despised Adam from the moment of Terry's death (well, it was weird when he lusted for his mom too, so our start before that wasn't great), and I spent the entire book resenting him for kidnapping her with chloroform, almost raping her, and then ultimately causing her death.
Despite all the character development, I couldn't get passed this, and the fact that Adam was the cause of her losing her life. And it's just like... No big thing for the main characters. Because Adam and Carly have super powers so woohoo it's no biggie and everything's fine and magical.
I'm a survivor of sexual assault. Terry's kidnapping, attempted rape and ultimate death were hugely upsetting to me. I cannot fathom how this classifies as YA fiction. Each time Terry's death was minimized, I had to ward off tears and upset. I didn't give a sh*t about Adam's powers and character progression-- what about justice for Terry?
When I read about characters in books, I try to humanize them. And reading what happened to Terry, and that in the end it basically didn't matter at all, was so horrendously cruel to me. I read the entire rest of the book in resentment.
Such a toxic perspective. The moral of the story is basically "love fixes all darkness in your partner" and that is NOT the kind of message impressionable young people need to be receiving! That's how people get stuck in abusive relationships down the road!
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As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!Chelsearoses wrote: ↑08 Feb 2020, 18:20 Spoilers
I feel Terry deserved better and justice for what happened to her. It was treated fairly casual. Thoughts?
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