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That_Reviewer wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 11:07
Nym182 wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 11:01
That_Reviewer wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 10:47

Truth is, the author had a choice two choices: follow the trend and Adam becomes a villain to the end or take a different angle to elicit discussions like this.

However, I've seen a couple things in my life to believe that there's nothing that can't be swept over, provided the parties involved agree to keep it so.
I don't think that there are just two choices...There are no limits to one's imagination!

And I am sorry, but I have to disagree and I am quite shocked to believe that anyone would put what happened to Terry in the category of things that can be "swept over"... and find it quite unsettling that you do...

I am all for second chances, but if I found out that someone I just met had such a violent and disturbing secret, I would not be able to just get over it... I mean, we all have things that we have done in our past we don't feel proud of but that's more than a little extreme...
Don't get me wrong. I don't tolerate people doing bad stuff intentionally neither do I make excuses for them. However, things happen in this life that will make you open minded, just as an emotional cushion.
Oh, I am open minded... just not about rape, kidnapping, or torture. I really don’t think that’s something to be open minded about, especially since they were planned and intentional.(not that unintentionally doing these things are forgivable...) I can’t imagine anything happening in my life to make me more “open minded” about such things... need a little bit more than an “emotional cushion”...
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AntonelaMaria wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 12:04
Chelsearoses wrote: 08 Feb 2020, 18:20 Spoilers

I feel Terry deserved better and justice for what happened to her. It was treated fairly casual. Thoughts?
As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!
Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
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Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:52
AntonelaMaria wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 12:04
Chelsearoses wrote: 08 Feb 2020, 18:20 Spoilers

I feel Terry deserved better and justice for what happened to her. It was treated fairly casual. Thoughts?
As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!
Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
Agreed, I also felt that the Terry thing was just to show just how far down the path of evil Adam was pre-Carly. Carly tied up that loose end by destroying the evidence linking it to Adam.
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Nym182 wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:59
Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:52
AntonelaMaria wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 12:04

As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!
Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
Agreed, I also felt that the Terry thing was just to show just how far down the path of evil Adam was pre-Carly. Carly tied up that loose end by destroying the evidence linking it to Adam.
That is a good point with Carly, him pre-Carly and her doing what she thought was best for him. So you have a good point on that. She created that closure I guess in a sense for him so he didn't have to perhaps?
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Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 17:07
Nym182 wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:59
Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:52

Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
Agreed, I also felt that the Terry thing was just to show just how far down the path of evil Adam was pre-Carly. Carly tied up that loose end by destroying the evidence linking it to Adam.
That is a good point with Carly, him pre-Carly and her doing what she thought was best for him. So you have a good point on that. She created that closure I guess in a sense for him so he didn't have to perhaps?
But I would add that only made him more inconsistent and unbelievable as a character.
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Nym182 wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 09:48
That_Reviewer wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 04:24 Every relationship, regardless of the tightness of the bond, has a secret or two that's better left to fade with time. Terry's death and the circumstances surrounding it makes me see Adam as a scared young man who wouldn't want his mess to destroy a beautiful romance.
HE KIDNAPPED AND INTENDED TO RAPE A GIRL WHICH LED TO HER DEATH!! That is NOT a secret that should be "left to fade with time"!

Terry's death was 100% Adams fault and it was premeditated! I have absolutely no sympathy for Adam. Terry's death was not something that happened TO Adam, it happened BECAUSE of him. And the last word I would use to describe him as scared.

In my opinion, it is ridiculous to paint Adam as the victim or cultivate any type of sympathy for him.
Yes, Adam really had destructive personality at that time and if we consider his current state of mind he may have improved but his instincts remain the same.
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Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:52
AntonelaMaria wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 12:04
Chelsearoses wrote: 08 Feb 2020, 18:20 Spoilers

I feel Terry deserved better and justice for what happened to her. It was treated fairly casual. Thoughts?
As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!
Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
Yes, the kidnapping of Terry showed how far-driven Adam was. He was totally prepared to rape her in his sex den.
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That Reviewer wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 04:24 Every relationship, regardless of the tightness of the bond, has a secret or two that's better left to fade with time. Terry's death and the circumstances surrounding it makes me see Adam as a scared young man who wouldn't want his mess to destroy a beautiful romance.
I love that your name matches up with what your response is lol.

On some level, yes, Adam does not want this to mess up his romance with Carly. I think he doesn’t want this to mess up anything. That’s why he hid it.

I think what most people are puzzled by is Carly’s response. That he almost raped a girl, was involved in her death, has an obsession with his mom, has a serial killer like den and she just...keeps it a little secret?

I mean these aren’t secrets of a normal relationship. Nor is it really a healthy relationship.
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Jocelyn Eastman wrote: 21 Feb 2020, 12:44
That Reviewer wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 04:24 Every relationship, regardless of the tightness of the bond, has a secret or two that's better left to fade with time. Terry's death and the circumstances surrounding it makes me see Adam as a scared young man who wouldn't want his mess to destroy a beautiful romance.
I love that your name matches up with what your response is lol.

On some level, yes, Adam does not want this to mess up his romance with Carly. I think he doesn’t want this to mess up anything. That’s why he hid it.

I think what most people are puzzled by is Carly’s response. That he almost raped a girl, was involved in her death, has an obsession with his mom, has a serial killer like den and she just...keeps it a little secret?

I mean these aren’t secrets of a normal relationship. Nor is it really a healthy relationship.
That's my feeling as well... and portraying Adam as a scared young man sits a little funny in my stomach... He made the choice to abduct Terry, so I don't feel bad that he's afraid of how that's gonna go over with Carly.

And I agree that Carly shouldn't have covered up his secret so he can have a fresh start.
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ciecheesemeister wrote: 10 Feb 2020, 16:35 I thought the overall attitude towards Terry was terrible. It was kind of like "so what if this boring ordinary girl died as long as the important Special Boy learned a lesson from it?" This part of the story definitely didn't sit well with me.
I don't think Adam even learned a lesson from it!! Not with Carly covering it up... He didn't even seem to feel bad about it other than in the context that Carly might find out and break up with him...
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Howlan wrote: 20 Feb 2020, 11:45
Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:52
AntonelaMaria wrote: 11 Feb 2020, 12:04

As Adam didn't suffer any consequences and her death didn't bring anything to the plotline, my main issue is what is the point of it all?!
Yes, I didn't really see the point in bringing her in or what that was to prove. To show he had those tendencies and sociopathic feelings and qualities yet didn't act on them? But her death and no consequences...I don't know
Yes, the kidnapping of Terry showed how far-driven Adam was. He was totally prepared to rape her in his sex den.
That's what seems to make sense to me. You're right, he was prepared to go down that dark path, considering how out of his way he was going. To drive there, miss the turns, drive all the way out. I mean the fact that he had that place in itself says a lot.
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AntonelaMaria wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 17:13
Chelsearoses wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 17:07
Nym182 wrote: 18 Feb 2020, 16:59

Agreed, I also felt that the Terry thing was just to show just how far down the path of evil Adam was pre-Carly. Carly tied up that loose end by destroying the evidence linking it to Adam.
That is a good point with Carly, him pre-Carly and her doing what she thought was best for him. So you have a good point on that. She created that closure I guess in a sense for him so he didn't have to perhaps?
But I would add that only made him more inconsistent and unbelievable as a character.
That's a fair point to add. It's a little frustrating for me because he is more inconsistent and unbelievable to an extent but also sometimes people are, even in books and life. But for this book...I don't know, maybe he could have been inconsistent with some characteristics or certain things....but still be believable as a character...I don't know ha...
I know sometimes in books some characters stay inconsistent and unbelievable but maybe not a leading character? Maybe in future books, he becomes more so?? More stable perhaps?
Has anyone read the next book? "Split Adam"?
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Jocelyn Eastman wrote: 21 Feb 2020, 12:44
That Reviewer wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 04:24 Every relationship, regardless of the tightness of the bond, has a secret or two that's better left to fade with time. Terry's death and the circumstances surrounding it makes me see Adam as a scared young man who wouldn't want his mess to destroy a beautiful romance.
I love that your name matches up with what your response is lol.

On some level, yes, Adam does not want this to mess up his romance with Carly. I think he doesn’t want this to mess up anything. That’s why he hid it.

I think what most people are puzzled by is Carly’s response. That he almost raped a girl, was involved in her death, has an obsession with his mom, has a serial killer like den and she just...keeps it a little secret?

I mean these aren’t secrets of a normal relationship. Nor is it really a healthy relationship.
I agree that it doesn't happen in an ideal, normal, or healthy relationship. But the sad truth is that these kinds of relationships are proliferating in our time and day.
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I do not think that the Terry situation was handled well. Her poor family was left without any closure and the story just moved on. I think that paints Carly and Adam in a really bad light considering they're the main characters and supposed to be likeable.
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Jocelyn Eastman wrote: 21 Feb 2020, 12:44
That Reviewer wrote: 17 Feb 2020, 04:24 Every relationship, regardless of the tightness of the bond, has a secret or two that's better left to fade with time. Terry's death and the circumstances surrounding it makes me see Adam as a scared young man who wouldn't want his mess to destroy a beautiful romance.
I love that your name matches up with what your response is lol.

On some level, yes, Adam does not want this to mess up his romance with Carly. I think he doesn’t want this to mess up anything. That’s why he hid it.

I think what most people are puzzled by is Carly’s response. That he almost raped a girl, was involved in her death, has an obsession with his mom, has a serial killer like den and she just...keeps it a little secret?

I mean these aren’t secrets of a normal relationship. Nor is it really a healthy relationship.
Yes, the author should definitely not show such relationships as normal and happy ones.
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