Vicki - Victim or Deserves it?

OfficialEmma · Post by **OfficialEmma** » 20 Feb 2020, 15:24

Nym182 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 10:49
OfficialEmma wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 17:07
Nym182 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2020, 13:38

Just call a spade a spade... If Dauma and Carly want to torture someone, then just have that scene be that... not sure torture wearing an "interrogation" disguise.
Well, most times people use torture in their interrogation process. However, we got the point the author was trying to communicate.
See the thing is though, Dauma could tell when someone was lying and straight up told Vicki that she wasn't going to believe anything she said... plus Adam could also delve into her memories... they had a plethora of ways to get the truth out of her and the torture just was for their enjoyment.

That's the point. They were enjoying seeing her suffer. There's no better explanation for their meanness.

Nym182 · Post by **Nym182** » 20 Feb 2020, 15:53

OfficialEmma wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:24
Nym182 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 10:49
OfficialEmma wrote: ↑19 Feb 2020, 17:07

Well, most times people use torture in their interrogation process. However, we got the point the author was trying to communicate.
See the thing is though, Dauma could tell when someone was lying and straight up told Vicki that she wasn't going to believe anything she said... plus Adam could also delve into her memories... they had a plethora of ways to get the truth out of her and the torture just was for their enjoyment.
That's the point. They were enjoying seeing her suffer. There's no better explanation for their meanness.

And they are supposed to be the "good guys"... I also found it really strange that Carly decided to wear a sexy outfit to the occassion...

S1234 · Post by **S1234** » 22 Feb 2020, 10:05

I feel like Vikki is a villain without realising it. She genuinely believed she was doing the right thing.

S1234 · Post by **S1234** » 22 Feb 2020, 10:23

I guess that the moment Carly was only thinking about her Father at the time. But I agree that what happened with Vikki was a lot. She was brainwashed and Carly was angry.

Howlan · Post by **Howlan** » 22 Feb 2020, 10:44

xuanmaii wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:00 At first I thought she deserved it because well so far i only knew she was a 30-year-old woman in the disguise of 17-year-old and she was part of the Iksha with clear intention of hunting down the Descendants. But then I read sneak peak of "Split Adam" at the end of the book "Opaque" and I found out her innocence so I thought well maybe she was a victim. So yes maybe Vikki was a victim but at the time of her interrogation, all Adam, Carly and Dauma knew was that she was from Iksha, she was way older than them, she was a threat and the Iksha kept Carly's father and for this I don't blame their torturous acts. (Both sides had suffered).

By the way, I don't get it. If Vikki was Adam's sister (revealed in the sneak peak) and they were supposed to be twins, then why was Vikki 30 and Adam 17 ??

Vikki is not Adam's win, they have same fathers but diiferent mothers. She is his half-sister.

Howlan · Post by **Howlan** » 22 Feb 2020, 10:48

S1234 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 10:05 I feel like Vikki is a villain without realising it. She genuinely believed she was doing the right thing. But I have a question after reading this, maybe one of you can help me. If Vikki also took the serum, like JoAnn did, why wasn't Adam drawn to Vikki the way he was to JoAnn? Did I miss something?

The reason mentioned in the book is that since she had similar genes so his repulsion to her was its way of rejecting her

AvidBibliophile · Post by **AvidBibliophile** » 23 Feb 2020, 15:18

B Creech wrote: ↑16 Feb 2020, 19:51 I think what Dauma, Carly, and Adam did to Vikki was definitely over the top. To kidnap her and question her was one thing, but I agree that she was only doing what her father instructed her to do. She was not a physical threat to them personally, she was just to find out who had special powers and report it to her father.

Agreed, but since intentional acts of torture (mental or physical) are luckily not something most of us will ever experience (or inflict) maybe it's a bit hard to know exactly what we'd do in a similar, dire situation - but in this particular context of plot development, it did seem a bit excessive.

Brenda Creech · Post by **Brenda Creech** » 23 Feb 2020, 22:38

AvidBibliophile wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:18
B Creech wrote: ↑16 Feb 2020, 19:51 I think what Dauma, Carly, and Adam did to Vikki was definitely over the top. To kidnap her and question her was one thing, but I agree that she was only doing what her father instructed her to do. She was not a physical threat to them personally, she was just to find out who had special powers and report it to her father.
Agreed, but since intentional acts of torture (mental or physical) are luckily not something most of us will ever experience (or inflict) maybe it's a bit hard to know exactly what we'd do in a similar, dire situation - but in this particular context of plot development, it did seem a bit excessive.

I absolutely agree! I think they struck out as they did out of frustration and anger over Carly's dad. Perhaps it was that pent-up anger and would have come out toward anyone, Vikki just happened to be the one!

Howlan · Post by **Howlan** » 24 Feb 2020, 01:02

B Creech wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 22:38
AvidBibliophile wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:18
B Creech wrote: ↑16 Feb 2020, 19:51 I think what Dauma, Carly, and Adam did to Vikki was definitely over the top. To kidnap her and question her was one thing, but I agree that she was only doing what her father instructed her to do. She was not a physical threat to them personally, she was just to find out who had special powers and report it to her father.
Agreed, but since intentional acts of torture (mental or physical) are luckily not something most of us will ever experience (or inflict) maybe it's a bit hard to know exactly what we'd do in a similar, dire situation - but in this particular context of plot development, it did seem a bit excessive.
I absolutely agree! I think they struck out as they did out of frustration and anger over Carly's dad. Perhaps it was that pent-up anger and would have come out toward anyone, Vikki just happened to be the one!

Yes, Considering the fact that Carly's dad was already in worse condition at the hands of the Iksha.

Nym182 · Post by **Nym182** » 24 Feb 2020, 10:50

xuanmaii wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:00 At first I thought she deserved it because well so far i only knew she was a 30-year-old woman in the disguise of 17-year-old and she was part of the Iksha with clear intention of hunting down the Descendants. But then I read sneak peak of "Split Adam" at the end of the book "Opaque" and I found out her innocence so I thought well maybe she was a victim. So yes maybe Vikki was a victim but at the time of her interrogation, all Adam, Carly and Dauma knew was that she was from Iksha, she was way older than them, she was a threat and the Iksha kept Carly's father and for this I don't blame their torturous acts. (Both sides had suffered).

By the way, I don't get it. If Vikki was Adam's sister (revealed in the sneak peak) and they were supposed to be twins, then why was Vikki 30 and Adam 17 ??

Yeah, I read that sneak peek too and it definitely gave some further evidence at how terrible they have treated her... And I cringed so hard when Adam told Carly "You really are a bully" then kissing her... like Adam enjoys her being sadistic?

And I totally didn't even think about that... that's quite the oversight on the author's part unless we get another half-assed excuse for it...

Nym182 · Post by **Nym182** » 24 Feb 2020, 10:53

S1234 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 10:05 I feel like Vikki is a villain without realising it. She genuinely believed she was doing the right thing.

Right? She thought she was looking out for someone evil with powers... and maybe she right... Some of the things that Adam and Carly do are pretty evil...

Nym182 · Post by **Nym182** » 24 Feb 2020, 10:54

S1234 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 10:23 I guess that the moment Carly was only thinking about her Father at the time. But I agree that what happened with Vikki was a lot. She was brainwashed and Carly was angry.

And that is a valid point... Maybe Carly has been a bit brainwashed herself?

Nym182 · Post by **Nym182** » 24 Feb 2020, 10:56

AvidBibliophile wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 15:18
B Creech wrote: ↑16 Feb 2020, 19:51 I think what Dauma, Carly, and Adam did to Vikki was definitely over the top. To kidnap her and question her was one thing, but I agree that she was only doing what her father instructed her to do. She was not a physical threat to them personally, she was just to find out who had special powers and report it to her father.
Agreed, but since intentional acts of torture (mental or physical) are luckily not something most of us will ever experience (or inflict) maybe it's a bit hard to know exactly what we'd do in a similar, dire situation - but in this particular context of plot development, it did seem a bit excessive.

Especially with Carly wearing a sexy outfit... it made that whole scene come off as some sexual torture porn...

AvocaDebo621 · Post by **AvocaDebo621** » 25 Feb 2020, 07:14

What they did to Vicki wasn't fair at all. Their methods of torture were desperate and overboard. Vicki believed she was doing the right thing. She wasn't even a physical threat to them!

Howlan · Post by **Howlan** » 25 Feb 2020, 08:04

Nym182 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2020, 10:50
xuanmaii wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:00 At first I thought she deserved it because well so far i only knew she was a 30-year-old woman in the disguise of 17-year-old and she was part of the Iksha with clear intention of hunting down the Descendants. But then I read sneak peak of "Split Adam" at the end of the book "Opaque" and I found out her innocence so I thought well maybe she was a victim. So yes maybe Vikki was a victim but at the time of her interrogation, all Adam, Carly and Dauma knew was that she was from Iksha, she was way older than them, she was a threat and the Iksha kept Carly's father and for this I don't blame their torturous acts. (Both sides had suffered).

By the way, I don't get it. If Vikki was Adam's sister (revealed in the sneak peak) and they were supposed to be twins, then why was Vikki 30 and Adam 17 ??
Yeah, I read that sneak peek too and it definitely gave some further evidence at how terrible they have treated her... And I cringed so hard when Adam told Carly "You really are a bully" then kissing her... like Adam enjoys her being sadistic?

And I totally didn't even think about that... that's quite the oversight on the author's part unless we get another half-assed excuse for it...

I am sure there will be some excuse for it.