Kalin turns into Project Kata
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Kalin turns into Project Kata
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I don't think he ever saw himself as Project Kata; I believe he was just trying to make the scientists believe he did. Based on the fact that he continued to try to get through to Project Tau, and never gave up on escaping, I think it was just a ploy so everyone would let down their guard.jdsatosk wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 13:39 One of the things that really thew me for a loop in Project Tau was the scene after Kalin submits and calls himself Project Kata. Kalin remains just as sassy and difficult as ever in his dealings with the scientists, yet he now is brainwashed into thinking that he really is a Project? I think that if the scientists were able to successfully brainwash Kalin into believing he was a Project that he would also believe he should be more amenable to training. I felt that the switch from Kalin to Project Kata was a little too sudden to believe when his attitude toward the scientists remained pretty much the same. What do you think? What details from the story support your opinion?
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I concur. Kalin is extremely intelligent. He probably just gave up because he knew who he was and always would. As long as he knew himself on the inside, what the scientists thought didn't matter as much. He decided to play their games... or let them think he was playing. I believe this is also a form of torture. For hours, he was asked the same question over and over again. For a moment I think it gave him a bit of brain damage, and he believed he was truly a Project, especially when he discovered the process of memory implants. But not for long.B Creech wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 17:35 I don't think he ever saw himself as Project Kata; I believe he was just trying to make the scientists believe he did. Based on the fact that he continued to try to get through to Project Tau, and never gave up on escaping, I think it was just a ploy so everyone would let down their guard.
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Yes, that is a form of torture! I am anxious to read the next book and see what is happening with Tau and Kata!Sinclairess wrote: ↑17 Apr 2020, 11:17I concur. Kalin is extremely intelligent. He probably just gave up because he knew who he was and always would. As long as he knew himself on the inside, what the scientists thought didn't matter as much. He decided to play their games... or let them think he was playing. I believe this is also a form of torture. For hours, he was asked the same question over and over again. For a moment I think it gave him a bit of brain damage, and he believed he was truly a Project, especially when he discovered the process of memory implants. But not for long.B Creech wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 17:35 I don't think he ever saw himself as Project Kata; I believe he was just trying to make the scientists believe he did. Based on the fact that he continued to try to get through to Project Tau, and never gave up on escaping, I think it was just a ploy so everyone would let down their guard.
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It opens up the question of brainwashing tactics used on Project Tau. We know Kalin was brainwashed, but it is on the same level if someone starts from a blank slate as Project Tai did?
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It could go both ways though, couldn't it? I mean, I didn't believe that Dennison had succeeded in converting Kalin that first time, exhausted as the young man was. He could have said it to stop the torture. But as you've rightly said, the author and Kalin himself called him Project Kata a lot as the story wore on. Not to mention the length of time he'd been in the facility for... It got to a point that I began to think that he really was changing and losing himself to the project. On the other hand, he is portrayed as a thinker, intelligent and strong-willed. So he very well could have been faking it. Maybe that scene in Renfield's office was an example of that. Or maybe it was the jolt Kalin needed to get his mind back on track. So which is it? Faking or changing? I can't help but wonder what would happen if he was locked up for longer...jdsatosk wrote: ↑17 Apr 2020, 13:57 I could see Kalin believing it the first time due to the exhaustion and mental torture , but wouldn't he come to his senses after a night of rest? Or it could have been Kalin capitulating to fool the scientists into believing that he knew he was a Project - like B. Creech said. However, I felt like I kept seeing Kalin believe it more and more and I think that the author wants us to believe that he believes it more and more. The author (and Kalin himself) stops calling Kalin by his name and refers to him as Project Kata in all settings - not just with the scientists. Then in the scene where Renfield brings Kalin into his office to confess he believes Kalin about who he is, Kalin takes some convincing to believe he is not actually a Project. However, I do concede that Kalin could have been holding out to make sure that Renfield was not playing mind games with him.
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I absolutely agree. I think the entire time, Kalin was working out a plan of escape. His submission was a nice front to keep the scientists of suspecting him.B Creech wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 17:35I don't think he ever saw himself as Project Kata; I believe he was just trying to make the scientists believe he did. Based on the fact that he continued to try to get through to Project Tau, and never gave up on escaping, I think it was just a ploy so everyone would let down their guard.jdsatosk wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 13:39 One of the things that really thew me for a loop in Project Tau was the scene after Kalin submits and calls himself Project Kata. Kalin remains just as sassy and difficult as ever in his dealings with the scientists, yet he now is brainwashed into thinking that he really is a Project? I think that if the scientists were able to successfully brainwash Kalin into believing he was a Project that he would also believe he should be more amenable to training. I felt that the switch from Kalin to Project Kata was a little too sudden to believe when his attitude toward the scientists remained pretty much the same. What do you think? What details from the story support your opinion?
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Absolutely, and he seemed to convince the scientists!pshaw1414 wrote: ↑20 May 2020, 10:59I absolutely agree. I think the entire time, Kalin was working out a plan of escape. His submission was a nice front to keep the scientists of suspecting him.B Creech wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 17:35I don't think he ever saw himself as Project Kata; I believe he was just trying to make the scientists believe he did. Based on the fact that he continued to try to get through to Project Tau, and never gave up on escaping, I think it was just a ploy so everyone would let down their guard.jdsatosk wrote: ↑16 Apr 2020, 13:39 One of the things that really thew me for a loop in Project Tau was the scene after Kalin submits and calls himself Project Kata. Kalin remains just as sassy and difficult as ever in his dealings with the scientists, yet he now is brainwashed into thinking that he really is a Project? I think that if the scientists were able to successfully brainwash Kalin into believing he was a Project that he would also believe he should be more amenable to training. I felt that the switch from Kalin to Project Kata was a little too sudden to believe when his attitude toward the scientists remained pretty much the same. What do you think? What details from the story support your opinion?
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