Nature vs Nuture
- Wordlessly
- Posts: 303
- Joined: 03 Jan 2019, 07:52
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 24
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-wordlessly.html
- Latest Review: We are Voulhire: A New Arrival under Great Skies by Matthew Tysz
Re: Nature vs Nuture
- Zoe Luh
- Posts: 91
- Joined: 25 Apr 2020, 11:53
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 78
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-zoe-luh.html
- Latest Review: Moon Magic by Charli Elizabeth
I agree. Of course nature affects us to some degree, but I think our environment shapes us, our decisions and our knowledge. I don't know if Tau would have learned about want without Kalin, but if he did it wouldn't have been as quickly and certainly would've been a very different situation.B Creech wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 08:05Nature vs Nurture has always fascinated me. I like to ponder which is the most dominant in a person and I usually always lean more toward nurture. I am a believer that we are primarily a product of our environment. That being said, I believe we are all born with wants and needs, however, we are mostly taught our needs outweigh our wants. As for Tau, I think he would have continued obeying what he'd been taught instead of wondering about what he wanted because his wants were not acknowledged by the scientists. I think it was nurture that made him the way he is now due to Kalin pursuing the subject with him.funninessishappiness wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 22:52 As we all know, Tau was created in a lab. Therefore, before Kalin, everything he knew was from the lab. One of the first things that Kalin asked Tau was "What about what you want to know." This causes Tau to ponder on the meaning of want. Before Kalin ever entered the picture do you think Tau would have eventually figured out what want is? Do you think want is a human emotion that would show itself regardless of the environment? Or do you think want is more of a social phenomenon that only occurs when others show you what you don't have? To put it simply, do you think it was nature or nurture that lead to the way Tau is now?
- Brenda Creech
- Previous Member of the Month
- Posts: 3382
- Joined: 09 Mar 2019, 13:34
- Favorite Book: The Reel Sisters
- Currently Reading: Rainbow’s End
- Bookshelf Size: 357
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-brenda-creech.html
- Latest Review: Was She Crying for Me? by Jerry Hyde
Yeah, I don't believe Tau would have learned about want without Kalin because he had been trained only to do as he was told. Kalin made him begin to question his situation!Zoe Luh wrote: ↑23 May 2020, 14:37I agree. Of course nature affects us to some degree, but I think our environment shapes us, our decisions and our knowledge. I don't know if Tau would have learned about want without Kalin, but if he did it wouldn't have been as quickly and certainly would've been a very different situation.B Creech wrote: ↑12 Apr 2020, 08:05Nature vs Nurture has always fascinated me. I like to ponder which is the most dominant in a person and I usually always lean more toward nurture. I am a believer that we are primarily a product of our environment. That being said, I believe we are all born with wants and needs, however, we are mostly taught our needs outweigh our wants. As for Tau, I think he would have continued obeying what he'd been taught instead of wondering about what he wanted because his wants were not acknowledged by the scientists. I think it was nurture that made him the way he is now due to Kalin pursuing the subject with him.funninessishappiness wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 22:52 As we all know, Tau was created in a lab. Therefore, before Kalin, everything he knew was from the lab. One of the first things that Kalin asked Tau was "What about what you want to know." This causes Tau to ponder on the meaning of want. Before Kalin ever entered the picture do you think Tau would have eventually figured out what want is? Do you think want is a human emotion that would show itself regardless of the environment? Or do you think want is more of a social phenomenon that only occurs when others show you what you don't have? To put it simply, do you think it was nature or nurture that lead to the way Tau is now?
"Like beauty in the eyes, the divinity of the rose may be in the nose that smells it, and the lover that beholds it." Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
- brown_gal
- Posts: 43
- Joined: 23 May 2020, 14:32
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 14
- Misael Carlos
- Previous Member of the Month
- Posts: 2522
- Joined: 16 Jan 2018, 17:12
- Favorite Book: The Sins of a Master Race
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 214
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-misael-carlos.html
- Latest Review: Donny and Mary Grace's California Adventures by Catherine A. Pepe
-
- Previous Member of the Month
- Posts: 6473
- Joined: 10 May 2017, 19:49
- Currently Reading: The Savior
- Bookshelf Size: 530
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-kdstrack.html
- Latest Review: How To Be Successful by M. Curtis McCoy
- Abigail Peake
- Posts: 15
- Joined: 02 Jun 2020, 13:49
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 14
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-abigail-peake.html
- Latest Review: Nadeems journey by Sherine Anniruth
-
- Posts: 125
- Joined: 17 Mar 2020, 04:49
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 50
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-wyzdomania-gskillz.html
- Latest Review: We are Voulhire: A New Arrival under Great Skies by Matthew Tysz
DragonLight877 wrote: ↑18 Apr 2020, 12:45I hadn't thought about this actually. Tau did start asking questions, like all children do. At first I thought it was all nurture. That if Tau was never taught to think for himself, he never would. But there is always that ingrained curiosity in all of us. And that is impossible to snuff out. So I think if they are originally there, I think eventually Tau would have snapped and attacked. It may take many many years, but I think eventually Tau would have had enough.Jocelyn Eastman wrote: ↑13 Apr 2020, 13:05 I think it’s both. I think Tau would naturally want if it wasn’t beaten out of him in the first place. In the book, he questions Dennison but is then punished. I think that was meant to show us that there are human traits in Tau, but they are suppressed. I think those human traits are brought out again with Kata and are refined more with him around.
I agree quite a lot with you.
We all come with an innate desire to figure things out and make the most of them, even babies in their really tender age exhibit this. Nurture however, gives voice and direction to these desires and make them speak out. The power of one's environment cannot be overemphasised. So for Tau it would be the same, the exposure must have sparked off his curiosity to question his status quo...
- BreathofFreshAriel
- Posts: 39
- Joined: 28 Feb 2020, 23:29
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 18
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-breathoffreshariel.html
- Latest Review: The Survival of the Richest by Dr. Anthony M. Criniti IV
- Rabbi Shemuel ben Nachmani, as quoted in the Talmudic tractate Berakhot (55b.)
- ciecheesemeister
- Posts: 706
- Joined: 08 May 2018, 20:44
- Currently Reading: Homer, A Constant Companion.
- Bookshelf Size: 724
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-ciecheesemeister.html
- Latest Review: Wild World by Peter S. Rush
-
- Posts: 22
- Joined: 02 Apr 2020, 20:38
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 18
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-dominicvenditti.html
- Latest Review: East Wind, 2nd edition by Jack Winnick
- evraealtana
- Previous Member of the Month
- Posts: 1528
- Joined: 22 Mar 2019, 19:45
- Currently Reading: The Signature of All Things
- Bookshelf Size: 127
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-evraealtana.html
- Latest Review: Never Teach A Pig to Sing. It is a waste of Time by Freida Atwood
- QiA
- Posts: 18
- Joined: 08 Dec 2019, 16:42
- Currently Reading: Nine Perfect Strangers
- Bookshelf Size: 31
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-qia.html
- Latest Review: Masters and Bastards by Christopher J. Penington
To want something is to have certain level of self-consciousness. It could be that before Tau met Kalin, Tau was not aware of the state of "being". I think that had Tau remained forever in the lab, devoid of any real contact from outside world, then this state of lack of "want" may subsist. But given the circumstances, it would be both nature and nurture (those that Tau encountered) that led Tau to be more self-aware.funninessishappiness wrote: ↑11 Apr 2020, 22:52 As we all know, Tau was created in a lab. Therefore, before Kalin, everything he knew was from the lab. One of the first things that Kalin asked Tau was "What about what you want to know." This causes Tau to ponder on the meaning of want. Before Kalin ever entered the picture do you think Tau would have eventually figured out what want is? Do you think want is a human emotion that would show itself regardless of the environment? Or do you think want is more of a social phenomenon that only occurs when others show you what you don't have? To put it simply, do you think it was nature or nurture that lead to the way Tau is now?
-
- Posts: 1617
- Joined: 08 Dec 2018, 16:37
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 385
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-mbrooks2518.html
- Latest Review: The Portal by Russell Cederberg
- Alexandros92
- Posts: 193
- Joined: 03 Mar 2019, 12:04
- Currently Reading:
- Bookshelf Size: 21
- Reviewer Page: onlinebookclub.org/reviews/by-alexandros92.html
- Latest Review: The Legacy of Job's Wife by Cynthia Koelker