Was sending Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden a blessing or a curse?

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AvocaDebo621 wrote: 07 Jun 2020, 10:22 The curse ended with separation from God and even facing an ultimate death in the end. So I believe it was both a blessing and a curse. While living in the garden, they could not enjoy the different levels of emotions (such as sadness and pain), so they could not be able to fully appreciate the good times without those bad times as well.
Both a blessing and a curse. Yeah, that seems to be it. I like your views and agree with them.
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Well, more than anything else, I believe that God sending Adam and Eve from the Garden was just a natural consequence of their actions. I do, however, believe that it was a bit of a blessing in disguise, as their expulsion allowed them to have the true human experience for the first time.
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JM Reviews wrote: 10 Jun 2020, 00:56
Kyprene Work 2020 wrote: 09 Jun 2020, 22:19 Blessing or curse it depends on how you view it. "The apple" refers to reliance on God to continue to provide and protect them as a couple. Blessing would be in acceptance of this belief. The curse is not a curse but a consequence of choosing to rely or not and taking responsibility for that action instead of passing the buck or laying blame.
I agree with you. But don't you think a mere consequence should not affect the whole generation? I mean, it's only a curse that affects one's generation.
On the contrary, I think it affects all other generations because it started from the founders. Just like a crambling company is affected by the directors.
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I think God sent them away, not as a curse or blessing but to prevent them from eating the tree of life. You could say, it makes up for the author's justification for the curses, but why don't we call them repercussions of their deeds? If they would have eaten the fruit of life, they would be immortal.
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It was a punishment, hence a curse. I believe Adam's perception to be a blessing is what contributed to their happiness. Had he taken it as a curse, he would have possibly led a miserable life. This might have affected his entire progeny negatively
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Imagine a sinner becoming immortal, living forever in their sins! If they had eaten from the tree of life, thats exactly what would have happened. I believe it was a blessing in a way.
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Alexandros92 wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 06:56 Sending them out of the Garden is neither. It is just the natural outcome of their choice. Since the fruit basically symbolizes the lack of trust toward nature and God and thus the awaking of the Ego and the need for knowledge, it is only natural that human beings found themselves to be isolated. It is not a curse and not a blessing.

If humans trusted God and let go of their Ego, the gates of Eden would reopen in the afterlife. It is a choice, nobody is punishing us.
Very well-said! This is the best explanation for Adam and Eve's banishment I've read. Thank you for this.
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Nothing in this life is mutually exclusive. It is possible that God's decision was both a blessing and a curse. In expelling them from the garden, he was also protecting them from Lucifer's evil gaze.
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Eating from the tree of knowledge carried a consequence. Adam and Eve rebelled against the only command the Creator had given them. God was teaching them that their actions had a consequence. It was also a blessing because it kept them from eating from the tree of life. If they had eaten from that tree, they would still be alive today. They would never have died! God was keeping them from living millions of years in a sinful world. By separating them from the tree of life, they could have the hope of entering the celestial Paradise when they died. - Leaving the Garden of Eden did not protect them from Lucifer. Lucifer was not confined to the garden. He was, and still is, active in the world. The book highlights his sinful work in the hearts of men (Eva, Lamech, Cain, etc.)
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Ana-Maria-Diana wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 02:57 I think that this was how the things were meant to be. God had and has plans for us all. If He didn't want for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, the tree wouldn't have been there. If they lived in the Garden of Eden maybe none of us would've been here today.
Ah that is also how I see it! I think the punishment angle is very popular, but I always thought that if God didn’t want them to eat the fruit of knowledge he would have given them better teaching and tools to resist.
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jdsatosk wrote: 11 Jun 2020, 01:42
Ana-Maria-Diana wrote: 05 Jun 2020, 02:57 I think that this was how the things were meant to be. God had and has plans for us all. If He didn't want for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, the tree wouldn't have been there. If they lived in the Garden of Eden maybe none of us would've been here today.
Ah that is also how I see it! I think the punishment angle is very popular, but I always thought that if God didn’t want them to eat the fruit of knowledge he would have given them better teaching and tools to resist.
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JM Reviews wrote: 04 Jun 2020, 04:38 Just after Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of knowledge, God drove them away from the Garden. The author of this book seems to justify every curse that God put on Adam. At some point, Adam seems grateful for the curses. What really captured my attention was the justification of the fact that God sent them away from Eden. Do you think the main purpose was to protect them from Lucifer? Do you believe that eating from the tree of life would have worsened the situation?
First of all, God didn't put any curse what so ever on man. He only cursed the ground because of man and then increased the pains of childbearing for the woman. He didn't even introduce the pains at that time, He only increased it.....meaning the woman was already meant to experience some pain during childbirth, but probably not much.

Secondly, sending the man and woman away from the garden was for their good and that of mankind to come. That was the singular act that ensured they could be redeemed again. Because if they had gone ahead to eat from the tree of life after the fall (which I suppose they were already eating from before the fall, seeing as the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the only forbidden one), they would have lived perpetually in that fallen state with no possibility of redemption....
In my opinion, it was a blessing in the sense that God laid plans for man's redemption, and punishment for man's lack of faith. God punishes evil, He also has a good plan for humanity.
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I am still half away through the book so I may not comment on the particular question stated but I find it fascinating to read all the comments here. It is so thought provoking as well as eye-opening.
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I agree. Why would such temptation be there if it was prohibited. And to my mind, this event of being casted away from Eden was bound to happen. Because, if it was not Adam or Eve, there would have been someone else.
This transgression would occur eventually, because curiosity is something that characterizes humanity. :tiphat:
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All have been scripted, only we need to act it. He (God) won't have needed paradise or Hell if Adam hasn't eaten of the forbidden fruit.
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To me the main reason of sending Adam and Eve out of the garden of Eden was not to protect them from the Lucifer. I do think that God did as a form of punishment to them, after they had disobeyed Him. This was a form of a consequence of their disobedience. Eating from the tree of life would worsen the situation. This is because God had a purpose for them not to eat from it.
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