Is Sex really necessary?

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It was necessary for the plot. When the women got pregnant (and the timing of it), they needed to stay in Zona and not travel back to the "real" world because of the possible danger in getting back. Which made it plausible for only one person to go back and the others to stay, making that decision work for the characters and the readers. I actually thought this book might turn into something like a utopia or Eden where they stay and populate.

The sex mostly worked for me once they were more settled in camp and had more free time and energy. The first one or two occurrences seemed too early for me because they were still working a lot physically and I thought they would be too tired. You would just want to collapse in bed and fall asleep right away. But most of the characters were younger than I am, so less tired (lol) and at that point being affected by the hormones etc although we didn't know it yet.
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AlexisLib wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 19:36 It was necessary for the plot. When the women got pregnant (and the timing of it), they needed to stay in Zona and not travel back to the "real" world because of the possible danger in getting back. Which made it plausible for only one person to go back and the others to stay, making that decision work for the characters and the readers. I actually thought this book might turn into something like a utopia or Eden where they stay and populate.

The sex mostly worked for me once they were more settled in camp and had more free time and energy. The first one or two occurrences seemed too early for me because they were still working a lot physically and I thought they would be too tired. You would just want to collapse in bed and fall asleep right away. But most of the characters were younger than I am, so less tired (lol) and at that point being affected by the hormones etc although we didn't know it yet.
Yes, the author had his reasons for every aspect of the fiction and he has made it quite realistic
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Sushan wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 21:22
AlexisLib wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 19:36 It was necessary for the plot. When the women got pregnant (and the timing of it), they needed to stay in Zona and not travel back to the "real" world because of the possible danger in getting back. Which made it plausible for only one person to go back and the others to stay, making that decision work for the characters and the readers. I actually thought this book might turn into something like a utopia or Eden where they stay and populate.

The sex mostly worked for me once they were more settled in camp and had more free time and energy. The first one or two occurrences seemed too early for me because they were still working a lot physically and I thought they would be too tired. You would just want to collapse in bed and fall asleep right away. But most of the characters were younger than I am, so less tired (lol) and at that point being affected by the hormones etc although we didn't know it yet.
Yes, the author had his reasons for every aspect of the fiction and he has made it quite realistic
Off topic: I see you are reading A Tale of Two Cities. I read it very young (like 12, I got it from the library, not sure why I picked it) but have been wanting to read it again as an adult, especially since I have read most of Dickens and love his work. So you are reminding and inspiring me to read it again! P.S. I love to see people reading classics!
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AlexisLib wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 21:32
Sushan wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 21:22
AlexisLib wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 19:36 It was necessary for the plot. When the women got pregnant (and the timing of it), they needed to stay in Zona and not travel back to the "real" world because of the possible danger in getting back. Which made it plausible for only one person to go back and the others to stay, making that decision work for the characters and the readers. I actually thought this book might turn into something like a utopia or Eden where they stay and populate.

The sex mostly worked for me once they were more settled in camp and had more free time and energy. The first one or two occurrences seemed too early for me because they were still working a lot physically and I thought they would be too tired. You would just want to collapse in bed and fall asleep right away. But most of the characters were younger than I am, so less tired (lol) and at that point being affected by the hormones etc although we didn't know it yet.
Yes, the author had his reasons for every aspect of the fiction and he has made it quite realistic
Off topic: I see you are reading A Tale of Two Cities. I read it very young (like 12, I got it from the library, not sure why I picked it) but have been wanting to read it again as an adult, especially since I have read most of Dickens and love his work. So you are reminding and inspiring me to read it again! P.S. I love to see people reading classics!
Glad to hear that. It is a novel that can be read repeatedly, yet with same interest :D
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Honestly it was annoying and not at all useful to the story
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Sushan wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 10:37 Despite all the dangers and the exhaustion from the expedition, Grant, the protagonist, finds time for sexual encounters.

Has the author depicted the true human nature? Or is this inclusion just to attract the readers who are fond of sexually explicit content? Is sexual content really necessary for fiction?
We cannot escape from our human nature.The author portrays the true nature of a human being.Much as the insertion of that part was to captivate the readers,it really depicted a fact about sexuality.
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Topsey wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 16:19 Although I agree that sex is not necessarily important for books to include, I don’t think the inclusion here is out of place. I think it demonstrates how one can still be deterred by our more baser/natural instinct, regardless of the various tasks at hand.
Precisely,the inclusion is not out place.Its an illustration that no matter the commitment,human being will still squeeze his sexual needs into limited time.
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Benita_umunakwe wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 16:25 It is human nature to have sexual urges and I think the author depicted the true human nature and I don't think it's for only readers who are fond of it.
I agree with you that human being posses innate urge for sex.Grant is not an exception to that fact.
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Sushan wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 19:53
Topsey wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 16:19 Although I agree that sex is not necessarily important for books to include, I don’t think the inclusion here is out of place. I think it demonstrates how one can still be deterred by our more baser/natural instinct, regardless of the various tasks at hand.
That is quite right. Sometimes our basic human behaviours overcome what is really necessary
True.sexual desire remarkably varies from one individual to another.Grant potrayed the real himself in the book.
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Carennkemdiala wrote: 02 Jul 2020, 02:47 I would be dishonest if I said that the sex scenes in the book were totally unnecessary. For me, sex is a natural occurrence and everyone would normally have urges, it’s now left for you as a person to decide to physically get involved sexually or not. So generally, I think it was just normal for Grant as a young guy to have sex even amidst the quest of finding his Uncle. The book is a good read.
Yes,it was very normal for Grant to behave that way as a human being.He was yearning for sex pleasure hence he was unable to control himself despite the task that lay ahead.
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Sushan wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 12:01
gatuguta2030 wrote: 19 Jul 2020, 11:16
Carennkemdiala wrote: 02 Jul 2020, 02:47 I would be dishonest if I said that the sex scenes in the book were totally unnecessary. For me, sex is a natural occurrence and everyone would normally have urges, it’s now left for you as a person to decide to physically get involved sexually or not. So generally, I think it was just normal for Grant as a young guy to have sex even amidst the quest of finding his Uncle. The book is a good read.
I couldn't agree with you more.Grant was experiencing the power of his sexuality.Its absolutely normal for the young chap to have desire for sex as he continued with his mission of looking for his Uncle.For sure the book is quite engaging.
Yes it is. Grant consumed his young energy. But was that really necessary for the development of the plot
I think it was basically a coping strategy for the young Grant.
Sushan wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 19:53
Topsey wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 16:19 Although I agree that sex is not necessarily important for books to include, I don’t think the inclusion here is out of place. I think it demonstrates how one can still be deterred by our more baser/natural instinct, regardless of the various tasks at hand.

That is quite right. Sometimes our basic human behaviours overcome what is really necessary
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Sushan wrote: 01 Jul 2020, 10:37 Despite all the dangers and the exhaustion from the expedition, Grant, the protagonist, finds time for sexual encounters.

Has the author depicted the true human nature? Or is this inclusion just to attract the readers who are fond of sexually explicit content? Is sexual content really necessary for fiction?
I believe the content is necessary.One,its inclusion triggers a discussion on the same.Secondly,it brings into being the very fact that sex is a key aspect in human being.
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Aaron Ambers wrote: 13 Jul 2020, 00:31
TasiWin wrote: 12 Jul 2020, 22:40 I am finding that sexual content is a matter of reader preference and subject to that. At this point it is not even about the plot or characters or even the author
I'd say I agree to the fact that it's a matter of a reader's preference, how then can an author know which reader prefers the scene and which doesn't? :shifty:
I guess the only option is to write enough books to satisfy each reader, haha
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B Creech wrote: 18 Jul 2020, 15:05
TasiWin wrote: 18 Jul 2020, 14:44
B Creech wrote: 13 Jul 2020, 11:39
I understand that! I guess my age is catching up with me! :icon-lol:
You are hilarious. Does that mean this is a preference that developed with time?
It must be because it didn't used to bother me! :icon-lol: :icon-lol: :icon-lol:
haha.. I'm NOT looking forward to that. I should just get my fill right now
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I do not think that sex is a really necessary component of the book. Rather its presence in the setting of the book says that as the human nature is, one can easily get distracted by unimportant things while on a very important mission. Unless, something is done to conquer this human nature, then these distractions will just keep recurring and then we might tag it as 'normal'.
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